HBK2 owners

[flightcrazed]

Here we are!! Love the new site and forum, how many other HBK2 owners we got out there? I have the esky 3800 on mine, telebee HH gyro on the way! Lot of fun ahead for me with this and a lot of learning!

[willinathen]

I'm a new heli flyer, I have a hbk 2 that is still stock. Just getting the hang of hovering tail in. Previously, I tried an axe, but the tail motor seems to be on the blink, so I never actually flew it.

Willinathen

[lowkey3d]

I got one.

Helimax 275 FG blades, ESKY 3800, CC 25 amp ESC, G90 Gyro.
Upgrading 43T tail drive gear and Metal motor mount..:)

[flightcrazed]

I'm a new heli flyer, I have a hbk 2 that is still stock. Just getting the hang of hovering tail in. Previously, I tried an axe, but the tail motor seems to be on the blink, so I never actually flew it.

Willinathen

How many flights do you have on the stock motor? I took mine out after about 25 flights or so, it was still running. I have heard that the stock motor doesn't last long at all. Just be aware!




I got one.

Helimax 275 FG blades, ESKY 3800, CC 25 amp ESC, G90 Gyro.
Upgrading 43T tail drive gear and Metal motor mount..:)

So does the 43T gear make a big difference? I was thinking the gyro would be enough to keep the tail right, but the 43T gear gives it more authority, am I thinking right?

[lowkey3d]

...So does the 43T gear make a big difference? I was thinking the gyro would be enough to keep the tail right, but the 43T gear gives it more authority, am I thinking right?

I have not swapped it yet. But the bird could use more tail authority even with the gyro.
Hard full up collective the tail swings out some..

[flightcrazed]

You gotta keep us posted on your findings when you put it on!!

[Rush7]

Here we are!! Love the new site and forum, how many other HBK2 owners we got out there? I have the esky 3800 on mine, telebee HH gyro on the way! Lot of fun ahead for me with this and a lot of learning!

Love the UT scheme............GO BIG ORANGE.

[flightcrazed]

Love the UT scheme............GO BIG ORANGE.

WOOO HOOOO!!! Glad to hear there's another Vols fan around here! Here I sit in god for saken gator country! Can't wait for UT to beat 'em on week 3!

[willinathen]

[QUOTE=flightcrazed;639]How many flights do you have on the stock motor? I took mine out after about 25 flights or so, it was still running. I have heard that the stock motor doesn't last long at all. Just be aware!






I've ran about 8 or 9 batteries through it. So far no problems. I have a brushless that came with my deal on standby when I need it. I'm surprised, considering what I've read on the sites, that the motor has lasted so long. I'll probably use it until it stops. (don't fix what ain't broke)

Willinathen

[Kam Arrow]

I've got two. Both with 3800 e-sky outrunners and esc, 10 tooth pinion, hs-55s on cyclic and towerpro 90s on the tails, blade 400 main gears, deal extreme cnc heads and tails, one with a telebee and logictech 2100t on the other, had 275mm cf helimax blades (now broken), one with blade 400 canopy and langing gear, running g-force 1600mah 20c batteries and controlling them with a DX7.
It is great to be able to fly in the back yard.
Bill

[n3m1s1s]

i got 3 :) all modded

hbk2 lit up like a christmas tree
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WfOXNumNOeQ

hbk2 with helicommand
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSvA8K7Pl0&NR=1

hbk2 that looks very difrent now
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5wbKuqAPY

[john339]

I have one and so does my son.
Telebee gyros and the larger gear for the tain prop.
They fly much better then we do.
We both use DX6 and do our best to not crash.
Have a great weekend.
John

[broggyr]

Hey gang!
HBK2 here with 4200kv motor, 43T pulley mod, CNC washout arms & base, 1800mah batts

[flightcrazed]

(don't fix what ain't broke)Willinathen


I hear that!


I've got two. Both with 3800 e-sky outrunners and esc, 10 tooth pinion, hs-55s on cyclic and towerpro 90s on the tails, blade 400 main gears, deal extreme cnc heads and tails, one with a telebee and logictech 2100t on the other, had 275mm cf helimax blades (now broken), one with blade 400 canopy and langing gear, running g-force 1600mah 20c batteries and controlling them with a DX7.
It is great to be able to fly in the back yard.
Bill

Dang, not much stock left on there!! I'm using the 11 tooth pinion on my 3800, what will the 10 tooth do different?

i got 3 all modded

hbk2 lit up like a christmas tree
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WfOXNumNOeQ

hbk2 with helicommand
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSvA8K7Pl0&NR=1

hbk2 that looks very difrent now
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5wbKuqAPY

Like the lights! nice mods!

I have one and so does my son.
Telebee gyros and the larger gear for the tain prop.
They fly much better then we do.
We both use DX6 and do our best to not crash.
Have a great weekend.
John

My dad flies one as well!! He's the one that kinda got me to order mine. He's up in Orange Park (Jacksonville), he says every time he gets it dialed in gail force winds start blowing! lol

Hey gang!
HBK2 here with 4200kv motor, 43T pulley mod, CNC washout arms & base, 1800mah batts

4200!! Wow that must have some authority! Does the 43T pulley mod make a big difference? I was thinking about doing that next, after I get my gyro upgrade.

[broggyr]

4200!! Wow that must have some authority! Does the 43T pulley mod make a big difference? I was thinking about doing that next, after I get my gyro upgrade.

I would say that it does, but frankly I don't have anything to compare it to besides a dual-motor, direct-drive tail FP... I did notice a huge difference with the 43T mod, much better response from the tail. Inexpensive and easy to install!

[broggyr]

I pulled a noob move last night (I am still learning o fly this thing): Was hovering around, and got close to the ground. For some reason or another, I chopped the throttle - only problem is I was in Idle-Up mode. Not too much damage to the main gear, but almost lost the pinion (it was under the heli lol).

I am expecting a 3500kv motor soon, maybe it will have a larger, longer shaft so I can fit a better pinion...

I forgot to mention in my original post that I am also using a Blade400 main gear and one-way bearing...

[lowkey3d]

How many teeth on the Blade Gear?

[pmdevlin]

43t upgrade sorted my tail authority out, I'm still at the hover stage, but no skids, and not afraid of it now, thanks to stick practise with a fixed pitch honeybee. Esky might be cheap, lack a bit on quality, but they are good to learn on.

Hi to all hbk2 owners

[Kam Arrow]

Dang, not much stock left on there!! I'm using the 11 tooth pinion on my 3800, what will the 10 tooth do different?.

No not much, they also have the 43 tooth pulleys and homemade battery trays and frame stiffener (copied from the one cy-model sells)
The 10 tooth pinion works fine for me I get about 2600 rpm in idle up with a 100-75-100 throttle curve and after a 6 minute flight the motor, battery and esc are all just warm (95 to 105 degrees) and I put back about 900 to 1000 mah.

[broggyr]

How many teeth on the Blade Gear?

It's the same size as the HBK2 OEM, 140T. It literally is a bolt-on replacement, don't even have to move your motor... A lot less wobble than the OEM and the one-way doesn't stick at all... my HBK2 one-way stuck so bad, it might as well be not there at all. :P

Not only that, but the gears are $3.50 without the one-way bearing, and I'll reuse the one I have now....

[lowkey3d]

This is good info using the Blade 400 main gear. I have to try it next time I strip mine.:D

[flightcrazed]

I just put my telebee gyro on that I got in the mail today... OMG!!!! I can't believe what a different heli this is! Rock solid tail! Just had to share..

[broggyr]

I've heard from several folks who swapped out the OEM rate gyro for a Telebee that it made a heckuva difference. I am actually expecting an Exceed-RC HH gyro from someone's neighbor who crashed a G2, maybe I'll give it a go :)

[retired92]

I am new to Heli flying, I have a HBK2, still stock. Hopefully I will be able to start flying soon, when things dry out a bit. I am looking forward to gaining an awful lot of info from this forum. Good Luck to all, keep the skids down......

[broggyr]

If you have a question about your HBK2, ask away. No such thing as a stupid question... I am gathering so much info about this bird that even I am able to help on occasion :)

[flightcrazed]

If you have a question about your HBK2, ask away. No such thing as a stupid question... :)

I couldn't agree more! The most stupid question is the one not asked..

[airheli1201]

i've got the 43t belt upgrade, but after one crash it keeps on slipping. any ideas why??

i've tightened it again and again

[broggyr]

It's a known issue with the King2 that the tail boom will slip where it enters the frame. Some folks will tighten the belt just right, then add a drop of CA where the boom enters the frame. Others have taken a small hose clamp (available at any auto parts or hardware store) and used that to keep the boom from slipping.

Also, depending on the severity of the crash, maybe one or more of the 4 screws that secure the tail boom in the frame may have stripped a little...

[broggyr]

Major progress today. No real "flights", but installed a WK-G011 HH gyro (Walkera, Exceed-RC from a crashed G2) - It really is amazing how little the OEM E-Sky gyro holds when compared to this, another cheapie gyro.

Had a weird vibration I couldn't isolate, so I disassembled the head and found one of the pivots on the washout arms was binding. Reamed out the bushing and reassembled/balanced, vibes are mostly gone.

Also put in an Alpha 3500kv motor (also from the crashed G2). It's a bit larger than the 4200kv, with a bigger shaft, and the only pinion on it was 14T. I need to get a better allen wrench on it as mine kept slipping - wanted to put on a smaller pinion.

Anyway, did some hovers and it was like a totally different heli - very well behaved. Is this what I was missing all this time with a crapp(ier) gyro?

I have yet to try it outside, as I ran down both packs during testing, but I think I am about done. I'll charge the packs tomorrow and see if I can get a flight in.

The only trouble I have now is a little tail wag - the gyro doesn't appear to have a gain on it, but it does have "Extent" which acts as a limiter, and Delay (to prevent tail bounce when coming out of a piro.

I'll have to do some more research to figure out this gyro, but it's head & shoulders over the OEM rate gyro...

[plantjes]

Hello from over sees...
Have a few HBK2's here in holland together last weekend..
check http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/micro-helikopters/63070-esky-helikopter-mini-meeting-zutphen.html
My setup is standard king with new receiver (D700), Walkera WK-G011 HH Gyro and a 3900KV Esky with 10T.
Made lots of discoveries and testings. Looking at the power consumpion over serveral heli's special on several HBK2 with different setup's..
Found light 530gr HBK2 taking over 90Watt at hovering...
Found havy 670gr HBK2 taking just 85Watt at hovering, witch is strainge for the havy weight...
I even came up with a hovering factor of arround 0,15...
this means multiply you flight weight with 0,15 and you should have your hovering power and thus can calculate your flight time knowing your lipo capacity..

Is anyone there able to do some power consumpions mesurings on their hbk2 and report this here???
It seems likely, looking a my numbers so far, that higher motor speeds en bigger pinions have good influence on the powerconsumpion and thus longer flight times...

Looking forward to see some results
Benno

[broggyr]

Hey Benno! I just installed a WK-G011 last night. I am also using the WK-0701 Tx with the RK-701 Rx, 3500kv Alpha motor with 14T pinion (only pinion I had for this motor)

Using DarkHorse's calculator (http://dhrc.rchomepage.com/calc.htm):
AUW: about 575gr (I don't have an accurate scale)
Batt: 1800mah
Motor: 3500kv
Pinion: 14T
Watts: 88.8 (Average)
Estimated flight time: 13+ minutes

[broggyr]

I had a bear of a time using a brushless motor with a long pinion gear - if the gear was to mesh with the main gear, either the pinion was too low or the grub screw was too far away from the shaft. How to fix? Well, you could get a shorter pinion. Or, you can mount the motor on a spacer. What did I do? I flipped over my main gear!

I removed the one-way bearing from the main gear, flipped it over and reinstalled. Now the gear meshes with the pinion properly and I didn't have to remount the motor.

Have seen no ill short-time effects yet... Pictures to follow!

[plantjes]

Hey Benno! I just installed a WK-G011 last night. I am also using the WK-0701 Tx with the RK-701 Rx, 3500kv Alpha motor with 14T pinion (only pinion I had for this motor)

Using DarkHorse's calculator (http://dhrc.rchomepage.com/calc.htm):
AUW: about 575gr (I don't have an accurate scale)
Batt: 1800mah
Motor: 3500kv
Pinion: 14T
Watts: 88.8 (Average)
Estimated flight time: 13+ minutes

What i do not understand is how your heli can deal with the super high headspeed..
Original de head is designed for about 2400 to 2500 rpm max..
For safty reson this shouldn't be exceeded..
If i quickly calculate your setup..
3500x11,1x14/140 = 3885rpm...
Didn't you get flying blades arround braking loose from de head yet???

Benno

[airheli1201]

It's a known issue with the King2 that the tail boom will slip where it enters the frame. Some folks will tighten the belt just right, then add a drop of CA where the boom enters the frame. Others have taken a small hose clamp (available at any auto parts or hardware store) and used that to keep the boom from slipping.

Also, depending on the severity of the crash, maybe one or more of the 4 screws that secure the tail boom in the frame may have stripped a little...

cool thanks.
i think the problem is that the boom is slipping.

[plantjes]

The only trouble I have now is a little tail wag - the gyro doesn't appear to have a gain on it, but it does have "Extent" which acts as a limiter, and Delay (to prevent tail bounce when coming out of a piro.

I'll have to do some more research to figure out this gyro, but it's head & shoulders over the OEM rate gyro...

If you are still using the stock transmitter you will get problems solving the tail wag as you need to set the gyro gain on the transmitter (channel 5). If you are using the stock transmitter you can try shorting the servo arm and/or lenghten the tail arm as you need to decrese the gain on the system...
Or you have to open the transmittor en solder a potie in series with the HH gyro switch...
Using an other transmittor you decrease the servo travel to about 60 or 70% .

I have the WK G011 on the king and the Esky type B HH gyro on my belt-cp..
The difference is the gyro speed...
The Esky type B is mutch more active, something i do not like...
Watch out to install a digital eksy servo when setting the 2e switch (not the nor/rev) on the Walkera Gyro..
Analog wil burn up within 1 flight...

Benno

[broggyr]

Didn't you get flying blades arround braking loose from de head yet???Benno

It does make me a little nervous, but I also set both knobs on the radio for max pitch, this seems to help. I really have to get a smaller pinion, then figure out how to take the old one off (allen wrench is slipping)...

Using an other transmittor you decrease the servo travel to about 60 or 70%

Maybe I'll win the DX7 tomorrow! :D

[plantjes]

It does make me a little nervous, but I also set both knobs on the radio for max pitch, this seems to help. I really have to get a smaller pinion, then figure out how to take the old one off (allen wrench is slipping)...



Maybe I'll win the DX7 tomorrow! :D
You can't win it as i will.. The only reason for me winning it is because i don't need it..
This is the same reason i never win a pice in the lotterie witch i really need...

benno

[broggyr]

You can't win it as i will.. The only reason for me winning it is because i don't need it..
benno

Does this mean you can sell it to me real cheap? :D

[go4milespa]

Love this new site heres what im flying

extreme cf frame
" turnbuckles
" 43 t tail gear
" head stopper
microheli swash
" washout arms
" seesaw and mixer
" hiller arms
" bell crank
esky cnc tail box
" cnc tail rotor
jgf 4400kv brushless
dynamin 30a speed control with bec
blade 400 main gear
telebee hh gyro
futaba 3114 on the tail
trex bat wings for tail blades
10 t pinion
289 mm cf main blades
cf tail boom
spektrum 6g digitals on the swash
outrage xp20..2200/1800
dx7

i dont fly 3d im a scale guy had the king for about a yr and love it finaly workrd out all the bugs couldnt think of a better heli to get into the hobby with all and all a great bird to learn on













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[plantjes]

Love this new site heres what im flying

extreme cf frame
" turnbuckles
" 43 t tail gear
" head stopper
microheli swash
" washout arms
" seesaw and mixer
" hiller arms
" bell crank
esky cnc tail box
" cnc tail rotor
jgf 4400kv brushless
dynamin 30a speed control with bec
blade 400 main gear
telebee hh gyro
futaba 3114 on the tail
trex bat wings for tail blades
10 t pinion
289 mm cf main blades
cf tail boom
spektrum 6g digitals on the swash
outrage xp20..2200/1800
dx7

i dont fly 3d im a scale guy had the king for about a yr and love it finaly workrd out all the bugs couldnt think of a better heli to get into the hobby with all and all a great bird to learn on


Not a 3D flyer with these upgrades...
I would like to see a picture of you scale model...
I keep mine as stock as i can and see the king as a perfect learning tool....

Benno

[lowkey3d]

Those "extreme cf frame" are sweet. :cool:

I would not call it a HBK2 after that upgrade. More like HBKREX

[plantjes]

Those "extreme cf frame" are sweet. :cool:

I would not call it a HBK2 after that upgrade..
well.. why not...
The king is a great heli. You'll never find a beter heli for so little money...
And even after upgrading and spending te money its still a great heli for so little...
So i think it's still a KING :)

Benno

[broggyr]

I would not call it a HBK2 after that upgrade. More like HBKREX

:clap::D:D

[go4milespa]

Not a 3D flyer with these upgrades...
I would like to see a picture of you scale model...
I keep mine as stock as i can and see the king as a perfect learning tool....

Benno

lol im not sure if i enjoy working on my king or flying it i live in a condo boardering a city park so the size of the king is perfect..also have a large underground garage to fly in during bad weather the only thing really stock on it is the center hub and blade grips all the changes have increased the performance would venture to say the best bang for the buck was the 43t gear and the telebee the main goal was to increase the lift of the king and then the stabilityi would bet that it now flies as well as most 450's certainly cost as much as one..lol next upgrade will be a multi rotor head i agree i dontthink there is a beter heli to learn on both from a build point and flying point and price wise ya cant beat it
working in a set of retracts and a lighting system now will be experimenting with a govenor this is all a prelude to moving up to a 500 or 600 but ive come to the conclusion its better to build a heli from various parts than going with a barebones or a kit

[airheli1201]

ya. i have spend so much on upgrading the king already.

[flightcrazed]

seems like there's a lot more king owners than there are belt cp owners... I was very torn between which one to buy, the # of people in the king forums vs. belt cp forums is what made me go with the king. I have not had it long enough to have any kind of hind sight to speak of. I'm still in the learning to hover nose in stage.

[broggyr]

Suggestion time! The motor mount of my King finally got so mangled that the pinion will lose mesh with the main gear - the dern frame flexes just too much!

I am currently debating buying one of these:


Xtreme frame stiffener ($17 from US Hobby Supply)
Xtreme CF frame ($70 from US Hobby Supply)
E-Sky CF frame ($50 from JAG Hobbies)


Does anyone have experience with these? I really like Xtreme products so far (aside from their V1 blades, but they made good on that)...

[go4milespa]

Suggestion time! The motor mount of my King finally got so mangled that the pinion will lose mesh with the main gear - the dern frame flexes just too much!

I am currently debating buying one of these:


Xtreme frame stiffener ($17 from US Hobby Supply)
Xtreme CF frame ($70 from US Hobby Supply)
E-Sky CF frame ($50 from JAG Hobbies)


Does anyone have experience with these? I really like Xtreme products so far (aside from their V1 blades, but they made good on that)...
i would go for the extreme frame i have found that you can use almost any servo with it its so worth the money frome what ive read ya have to mod the stok esky frame if your using the frame stiffener also they are comming out with a 12mm boom support ..since i fly scale when that comes out i will beable to use align booms an move up to 450 size fus..i realize i will have to modify the mounts but figure the weight savings will more than offsetthe hassle extreme frame is a no brainer assembly wise well thought out 43t tail gear is a perfect fit belt rollers work very well on the extreme frame there are so many more options to where ya can mount the gyro ..rx..speed controll ya can get ur king balanced perfectly spend the money ya wont be dissapointed..oh and it does look cool...lol

[broggyr]

oh and it does look cool...lol

LOL thanks.
Good point on the servo mounts, I really do not like the OEM servo mounts. I think that alone is a fantastic reason for the frame over the stiffener. Add to that the additional ESC placement locations and I think I am sold.

:D

[DeadTom]

Hey all you HBK2 owners, I have had my King for about 1.5 years now and it is mostly stock, with the exception of the HD 3800kv motor and a Dynam 30a esc, I also run a 10t pinion. The tail servo is an HS55 with an EF Helicopter HH gyro. I also got tired of the cheap warped blades that E-Sky has, so I took a pair of Align 325's and cut down the root end of the blades to make them the correct length.
My main problems with this heli is the blade tracking, it never seems to be right on.
Also my motor's shaft seems to want to eat the pinions for some reason of another.
It's a pretty nice little heli but still not as smooth or powerfull as my Dragonus.

T

[plantjes]

seems like there's a lot more king owners than there are belt cp owners... I was very torn between which one to buy, the # of people in the king forums vs. belt cp forums is what made me go with the king. I have not had it long enough to have any kind of hind sight to speak of. I'm still in the learning to hover nose in stage.

I have a king2 from 28 feb this year and lately bought a belt-cp.
I still like the king beter to fly as it flies with the same battery 30% longer and is more reactive to the sticks...
THe only problem a stock king has is a bad motor and esc and that one really needs upgrading.. For the rest everything is optional...

Benno

[plantjes]

Suggestion time! The motor mount of my King finally got so mangled that the pinion will lose mesh with the main gear - the dern frame flexes just too much!

I am currently debating buying one of these:


Xtreme frame stiffener ($17 from US Hobby Supply)
Xtreme CF frame ($70 from US Hobby Supply)
E-Sky CF frame ($50 from JAG Hobbies)


Does anyone have experience with these? I really like Xtreme products so far (aside from their V1 blades, but they made good on that)...


There is one extra option..
Build your own metal stiffener..
I just made one from a piece of 1mm metal plate..
about 30 minutes drilling and cutting saves 17 dollar... not bad...
I have a new original body witch is weaker than the modified one...

Here some pics'..
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/100_4132.jpg
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/100_4133.jpg
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/100_4137.jpg
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/100_4134.jpg

Benno

ps as you see on the pic's i,ve made also a metal skid and new servoplate..
Total weight increase 89 gram.

[plantjes]

Hey all you HBK2 owners, I have had my King for about 1.5 years now and it is mostly stock, with the exception of the HD 3800kv motor and a Dynam 30a esc, I also run a 10t pinion. The tail servo is an HS55 with an EF Helicopter HH gyro. I also got tired of the cheap warped blades that E-Sky has, so I took a pair of Align 325's and cut down the root end of the blades to make them the correct length.
My main problems with this heli is the blade tracking, it never seems to be right on.
Also my motor's shaft seems to want to eat the pinions for some reason of another.
It's a pretty nice little heli but still not as smooth or powerfull as my Dragonus.

T

Over the last 2 weeks i used 3 pinions as the frame was very weak...
When i put a bigger battery in the bay it pushes the pinion away from the main gear...
I have now the stiffener installed and think it saves pinions...
I have the 3900 BL motor and a wakera HH gyro...
I found that serveral blades gave lots of non correctable bladetracking problems..
This is why i still use light blades... I got the carbon look Hongkong ones.. like 20 dollar for 5 sets...
They are not 100% but good value.. And no blade tracking...

Benno

[broggyr]

Over the last 2 weeks i used 3 pinions as the frame was very weak...
When i put a bigger battery in the bay it pushes the pinion away from the main gear...
I have now the stiffener installed and think it saves pinions...
I have the 3900 BL motor and a wakera HH gyro...
I found that serveral blades gave lots of non correctable bladetracking problems..
This is why i still use light blades... I got the carbon look Hongkong ones.. like 20 dollar for 5 sets...
They are not 100% but good value.. And no blade tracking...

Benno

Hey Benno, good-looking stiffener you made. I don't have the resources available to make something like that, but I like the idea.

Where do you get your Hong Kong carbon-look blades?

[plantjes]

Hey Benno, good-looking stiffener you made. I don't have the resources available to make something like that, but I like the idea.

Where do you get your Hong Kong carbon-look blades?

For the blades...
http://cgi.ebay.nl/10x-Pales-Lame-Main-Blade-Esky-King-2-RC-Helicoptere-BL_W0QQitemZ110284008153QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2562QQc mdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

For creating the stiffener..
Sure i've have a great workshop handy but going to a local handyshop you can find all tools and a piece of metal. you just need 2 right hands and some guts....
After all.. this hobby is model building and flying...

Benno

[broggyr]

For the blades...
http://cgi.ebay.nl/10x-Pales-Lame-Main-Blade-Esky-King-2-RC-Helicoptere-BL_W0QQitemZ110284008153QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2562QQc mdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

For creating the stiffener..
Sure i've have a great workshop handy but going to a local handyshop you can find all tools and a piece of metal. you just need 2 right hands and some guts....
After all.. this hobby is model building and flying...

Benno

Thanks for the link.

I, however, prefer to fly and build - in that order. I can deal with buying parts I need, but I don't have much luck in making my own.

[Kam Arrow]

There is also a frame stiffener available from cy-model, it looks a lot like the one platjes made but it is fiberglass and costs about $5.00
I got one for one of my kings and then copied it when the bare bones I had started flying.
Bill

[broggyr]

Bill:
I never even knew about cy-model before, thanks for the info. Do they charge extra for shipping? When I did a preliminary checkout, the shipping was $0.00...

-Brian

[Kam Arrow]

Yes they did charge shipping, it wasn't much but it wasn't fast either
It has been a while since I ordered so things may have changed.
Bill

[go4milespa]

Hey all you HBK2 owners, I have had my King for about 1.5 years now and it is mostly stock, with the exception of the HD 3800kv motor and a Dynam 30a esc, I also run a 10t pinion. The tail servo is an HS55 with an EF Helicopter HH gyro. I also got tired of the cheap warped blades that E-Sky has, so I took a pair of Align 325's and cut down the root end of the blades to make them the correct length.
My main problems with this heli is the blade tracking, it never seems to be right on.
Also my motor's shaft seems to want to eat the pinions for some reason of another.
It's a pretty nice little heli but still not as smooth or powerfull as my Dragonus.

Thttp://store.rcsupersales.net/servlet/-strse-1191/288mm-FRP-%28Fiberglass-Reinforced/Detail

these blades are awesome perfect size no eed to cut blades down

[flightcrazed]

O.k. guys, I want to know what battery I should get to go with my esky 3800, with an esky 25 esc.. I'm using the stock one now, and a similar one that I got when I bought the HBK2. I'm only getting 6-7 minutes per flight, what do I need to get longer flight times. I'm really just hovering now. I can hold it really good tail in, and nose facing left, nose facing right gets a little hairy for some reason. Once I get that down I'll work on nose in, so 3-D is a long way out. So what batteries do I need?

[eatmydirt]

O.k. guys, I want to know what battery I should get to go with my esky 3800, with an esky 25 esc.. I'm using the stock one now, and a similar one that I got when I bought the HBK2. I'm only getting 6-7 minutes per flight, what do I need to get longer flight times. I'm really just hovering now. I can hold it really good tail in, and nose facing left, nose facing right gets a little hairy for some reason. Once I get that down I'll work on nose in, so 3-D is a long way out. So what batteries do I need?

I just bought a 3 cell, 1500 mAh, 20C pack on eBay that fits the King perfectly. I only bought one to test it and was gonna order more if the fit and performance was good. Then the seller closed his store and disappeared. DARNIT. It was a China vendor.

I have another one on the way from a different supplier so I'll let you know if that one is good. Should be here soon.

Just got 2 new Kings from BP on sale with the new digital servos for $105 each. Now they are sold out. Glad I acted quickly! They have barebones for about $55 if you hurry.

[flightcrazed]

So will a 1500 20c pack work well with the 3800? I have read that the 3800 is a power hog.. That sux about the ebay vendor!

[plantjes]

So will a 1500 20c pack work well with the 3800? I have read that the 3800 is a power hog.. That sux about the ebay vendor!

The HBK2 takes about 80 to 90 watt on hovering and max 150 to 160 watt on high pitching pulling 600 to 650 gram extra up....
This means on your 10 volt depleated battery it wil take up do 15 or 16 Amps...
The battery bay kan take up to 2200 or 2400 mah pack size and needs more weight on the front to get de COG right.
This means 2200mah 3S 8C should be working fine..
I am using 2x 2200mah 3S 15C mystery and 3x 2200mah 3s 25C mystery's.
The COG is very nice swash plate allmost level (still little down on the front so needs more weight in the front)
I can fly up to 15 minutes on a 25C and 10 minutes on a 15C pack. I cannot get my 15C pack empty and this is due to fact that the chinees do brag with the C's.. I think my 25 C mystery does the same as a 15C EVO or other good brand.
On the other side.. The mystery pack's cost about 15 dollars and a EVO cost 50+...

My advice.
Get 2 or 3 same capacity batteries (saves adjusting your charger) at least 1800 but maybe even 2400 mah. min. 15 C but pref. 25C..
On ebay the mystery's 2200mah 25C are cheap and are sold by 2 in a pack...

Good luck...

Benno

[flightcrazed]

The HBK2 takes about 80 to 90 watt on hovering and max 150 to 160 watt on high pitching pulling 600 to 650 gram extra up....
This means on your 10 volt depleated battery it wil take up do 15 or 16 Amps...
The battery bay kan take up to 2200 or 2400 mah pack size and needs more weight on the front to get de COG right.
This means 2200mah 3S 8C should be working fine..
I am using 2x 2200mah 3S 15C mystery and 3x 2200mah 3s 25C mystery's.
The COG is very nice swash plate allmost level (still little down on the front so needs more weight in the front)
I can fly up to 15 minutes on a 25C and 10 minutes on a 15C pack. I cannot get my 15C pack empty and this is due to fact that the chinees do brag with the C's.. I think my 25 C mystery does the same as a 15C EVO or other good brand.
On the other side.. The mystery pack's cost about 15 dollars and a EVO cost 50+...

My advice.
Get 2 or 3 same capacity batteries (saves adjusting your charger) at least 1800 but maybe even 2400 mah. min. 15 C but pref. 25C..
On ebay the mystery's 2200mah 25C are cheap and are sold by 2 in a pack...

Good luck...

Benno

O.k. so I'll check out the mystery batts.. I did do a mod to move the battery up front to get the COG right.. I can most likely get a bigger pack up there. I am using the stock charger for now, would I be able to charge the mystery packs with it?

[plantjes]

O.k. so I'll check out the mystery batts.. I did do a mod to move the battery up front to get the COG right.. I can most likely get a bigger pack up there. I am using the stock charger for now, would I be able to charge the mystery packs with it? Well you need the full original battery bay to handle the 2200mah behind the org canope..
For the charger..
the 1100mah took up to 3 hours for charging.. 2200 would take up to 6 hours charging and you can't see what you charge..
maybe check ebay allso for a Imax B5 or B6 charger with a power supply (Imax charger needs 12Volt.)
This will charge all your batteries with 1 hour charging time and gives you an idea howmany mah you charge..
The mystery chargers are the same but gives sometimes wrong values... (needs callibration check).

Benno

[Kam Arrow]

I bought some ge force 20c 1600mah batteries from Value Hobby and they fit and fly just fine.
I am putting back around 900mah after a 6 minute flight on my Kings which both have e-sky 3800 motors.
I'll have to go back through my log book to see how many cycles I have on them and the temps they come off at.
Bill

[flightcrazed]

I bought some ge force 20c 1600mah batteries from Value Hobby and they fit and fly just fine.
I am putting back around 900mah after a 6 minute flight on my Kings which both have e-sky 3800 motors.
I'll have to go back through my log book to see how many cycles I have on them and the temps they come off at.
Bill

So your only getting 6 min lights on a 20c 1600?? I guess I'm doing o.k. with 6-7 min flights on the stock packs..

[Kam Arrow]

I am timing them for 6:00 min. and only putting back about 900mah, that eqautes to about 56% so I could go longer but I also have some 1300 mah batteries I use in the yard and I don't want to keep resetting the timer.
Bill

[Sublime Snot]

+1 for GForce batteries from Valuehobby. They're effective and reasonably priced.

I'm using an 1800mAh 20C pack in my King 2, it barely fits inside the stock canopy. It's been working great so far. I have my timer at about 7 minutes, but I feel that the flight times will get longer as I keep resurrecting the Lipo from its dormant state.

[broggyr]

Haven't been in the air for about a month now. Can't wait to get back, I've got the shakes! :)

[plantjes]

Haven't been in the air for about a month now. Can't wait to get back, I've got the shakes! :)
Well, Heli flying is practis, practis, practis, practis..
Stopping for a while is very bad...

Keep on lifting off...
if not in rea life than on the sim...

Benno

[Sublime Snot]

Well damn...I haven't flown for about 4 months, and I've been finding it difficult to make a stable hover in my garage when before I could do Fast Forward Flight. Only reason I stopped was when I broke the controller trying to modify it with 2.4Ghz http://i36.tinypic.com/k20jzt.jpg. Took me a while to save up and now I'm back in the saddle...kinda. I'm still waiting for some parts to get in the mail.

[plantjes]

Well damn...I haven't flown for about 4 months, and I've been finding it difficult to make a stable hover in my garage when before I could do Fast Forward Flight. Only reason I stopped was when I broke the controller trying to modify it with 2.4Ghz http://i36.tinypic.com/k20jzt.jpg. Took me a while to save up and now I'm back in the saddle...kinda. I'm still waiting for some parts to get in the mail.

Well thats why we need 2 pieces of everything.. making it redundant...
Tell it to your wife... maybe see agrees buying more equiment... For rainy days you've got to sim and with sun to lift up...
I made good progress over the last few weeks from a stable hoover to controlled large figure 8 and today my first complete cirkel in front of me...
This is a small video of me flying the king yesterday..
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/th_King2met8jes.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn36/plantjes/?action=view&current=King2met8jes.flv)



Benno

[broggyr]

Hey Benno:

Great flying! I really like the sound when you came at the camera, then pulled up & banked right :)

[plantjes]

Hey Benno:

Great flying! I really like the sound when you came at the camera, then pulled up & banked right :)


Well, maybe you wanna talk to my camara man :D....

[Sublime Snot]

Well thats why we need 2 pieces of everything.. making it redundant...
Tell it to your wife... maybe see agrees buying more equiment... For rainy days you've got to sim and with sun to lift up...
I made good progress over the last few weeks from a stable hoover to controlled large figure 8 and today my first complete cirkel in front of me...
This is a small video of me flying the king yesterday..
(video)

Benno
Wife? lol, I'm still in high school. I do have a sim, but I get bored of it pretty quickly :(. I do figure eights without a problem, but circles are a different story; they're so much harder to do for some reason :o.
Nice flying in that video, you had a spectator or two over there :cool:. Watching your vid makes me miss flying my King 2 a lot, can't wait for those parts to get in the mail.

[plantjes]

Wife? lol, I'm still in high school. I do have a sim, but I get bored of it pretty quickly :(. I do figure eights without a problem, but circles are a different story; they're so much harder to do for some reason :o.
Nice flying in that video, you had a spectator or two over there :cool:. Watching your vid makes me miss flying my King 2 a lot, can't wait for those parts to get in the mail.

Well lucky you.. I just wish, i was in high school but you propably heard that before..
Anyway, Yes the sim gets me bored also and it seems mutch harder than in real life but,0:) as all boring things in life they have a reason to been done..
For the complete circles, its just so hard flying nose-in that i still have a problem when the heli hoovers towards me... Flying is no problem if the speed is fast annough.. I am now trying to make slow lager figure 8 almost at hoovering speed and than there is a large nose-in or allmost nose-in in the middle..

Benno

[broggyr]

Who here has experience with the E-Sky 3100kv motor? I ask because I am getting a good deal on one from an acquaintance from another forum (HBK2 airframe w/ 3100kv) for the price of shipping...

I know many folks use and suggest the 3800, or even the 3900, and I have seen a few that use the 3100. Keep in mind that I am still really learning to fly, and don't have plans to do any 3D stuff (for a while at least). The 3100 should be adequate, no?

[flightcrazed]

I got the 3100 first and was using it with the esky esc. It stuttered really bad at start up, but then ran smooth. I used it for a while, but switched to the 3800 and like it a lot better. I have read other people have had the same issue with the 3100, I think it might be a esky esc combo problem though.

[plantjes]

I got the 3100 first and was using it with the esky esc. It stuttered really bad at start up, but then ran smooth. I used it for a while, but switched to the 3800 and like it a lot better. I have read other people have had the same issue with the 3100, I think it might be a esky esc combo problem though.

I know a few kings run perfectly with a 3100 and 10T or 11T
Only few occasions with stuttering motor... But a different motor is only like 10 dollars or so...

My king works with 3900 but i run only 60% throttle...

Benno

[Sublime Snot]

The main problem with 3100 motors is that they have start-up issues. Other than that they work pretty well.

[broggyr]

Thanks for your input :) I can't ask for too much since it's a steal deal...

[Sublime Snot]

The start up issues are existing probably because of the type of ESC, so far I know it only happens with the Esky 25A ESC. I'm guessing if you used another ESC such as a Dynam 30A or Castle Creations 25A Phoenix, the start up problems would no longer exist.

[broggyr]

I don't have the E-Sky ESC :) I have a Hobbywing and I will be getting an Align, also. That makes me feel even better

[broggyr]

Has anyone here used the Guru-Z fiber frame for the King II?
http://www.heli-fever.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=744&osCsid=as9aalki7idos9rrsj173j1ar1

With shipping and metal belt guides is about $33... 1/2 the price of the CF frame...

[airheli1201]

guys. i was flying my king 2 today. and during the second pack i started to feel some exceesive virbration.
so i landed and checked. i realized that my main motor's metal pinion teeth were all bent!!!hat the hell?? i did not expect i had so much stress on it!! btw my motor is a 4200kv would that be the cause?
it is still flyable but just doesn't feel right..
guess i have to change it . now where is the best place to get it??

[Sublime Snot]

guys. i was flying my king 2 today. and during the second pack i started to feel some exceesive virbration.
so i landed and checked. i realized that my main motor's metal pinion teeth were all bent!!!hat the hell?? i did not expect i had so much stress on it!! btw my motor is a 4200kv would that be the cause?
it is still flyable but just doesn't feel right..
guess i have to change it . now where is the best place to get it??

There are a lot of factors here. What pinion were you using? Was it brass or hardened steel? How many teeth? How was your gear meshing between your pinion and your main gear?

From what I can guess, since your pinion teeth are bent, it was made of soft brass. Your motor seems to have a lot of torque, was it getting hot at all from the incident?

I'm not sure if 4200kv is overkill for the King 2, others may know. I would try to solve the problem with a hardened steel pinion (if you weren't using one before) and make sure your gear meshing isn't too tight or too loose.
The motor was probably too high in kv in the first place, so if you must choose another motor, I would get either an Esky 3900kv or 3800kv. The 3900 is a drop-in installation and requires a 9t pinion. The 3800 requires some modification to the HBK2 frame to fit, but it does have more torque and power and can use a 10t pinion.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_392&products_id=6851
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_392&products_id=2157

You can find the pinion of your choice on this page, but I should warn you that some of them do not have good reviews. The ones with set-screws require blue loctite to be held in place if they are to not slip off the motor shaft. Good luck.
http://www.helidirect.com/index.php?cPath=78_512

[Sublime Snot]

Has anyone here used the Guru-Z fiber frame for the King II?
http://www.heli-fever.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=744&osCsid=as9aalki7idos9rrsj173j1ar1

With shipping and metal belt guides is about $33... 1/2 the price of the CF frame...

Its not a bad idea. I've only seen people use this frame for a Honeybee FP, but for the King, I have yet to see. According to the pictures, everything seems to fit nicely.

[broggyr]

guys. i was flying my king 2 today. and during the second pack i started to feel some exceesive virbration.
so i landed and checked. i realized that my main motor's metal pinion teeth were all bent!!!hat the hell?? i did not expect i had so much stress on it!! btw my motor is a 4200kv would that be the cause?
it is still flyable but just doesn't feel right..
guess i have to change it . now where is the best place to get it??


Heya Airheli:

I had an HDX300 4200kv on my KingII with a brass 9T pinion - before that, I had used it in my Falcon40 (4ch FP). The brass started to wear away, but didn't cause vibration...

One thing that DID cause vibrations was the warped main gear hitting the pinion collar. When I replaced the main gear with a Blade400 main gear, those vibes disappeared. I would recommend the same motors that Sublime has listed.

I would doublecheck to see if the vibes can be coming from somewhere else - bent main shaft, feathering shaft, paddles, etc.

The 4200 has a LOT of power for this heli, even with a 9T pinion.

[airheli1201]

Heya Airheli:

I had an HDX300 4200kv on my KingII with a brass 9T pinion - before that, I had used it in my Falcon40 (4ch FP). The brass started to wear away, but didn't cause vibration...

One thing that DID cause vibrations was the warped main gear hitting the pinion collar. When I replaced the main gear with a Blade400 main gear, those vibes disappeared. I would recommend the same motors that Sublime has listed.

I would doublecheck to see if the vibes can be coming from somewhere else - bent main shaft, feathering shaft, paddles, etc.

The 4200 has a LOT of power for this heli, even with a 9T pinion.

thanks Sublime and broggyr.
i think i will keep the 4200kv motor.
reason is that i have been using it for quite a while and it works well, motor and esc both were only slighty warm after 6mins of flight.
i am thinking of getting the 8t and 9t pinion to try. btw i realised i was using 11t!
so do you guys think these will fit?
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=5974
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=7254


the vibration only occurred after i realised the pinion problem i am sure main shaft, feathering shaft, paddles, etc. are ok. will check again thou:)

[broggyr]

I know for a fact that the Blade400 main gear does work, and the one-way seems to be much better than the one that came with the King. It's a direct replacement, no mods needed. I know that the pinions will work too, but I am not entirely sure what size the grub screws are - I bought one, but my 1.5mm wrench is too large. I don't have a 1mm to test...

[Sublime Snot]

The Blade 400 main gear is a nice mod, I use it myself. The hardened steel pinions you are going for are the set-screw type, which will require lockitite to be held in place (The set-screws are never secure enough; IMO they're only used to keep the pinion in place after the locktite is applied). Get the blue kind, not the red, red = permanent. Later on when you want to remove the pinion, you can either use a pinion puller, or heat up the pinion with an open flame (which melts the locktite) and slip it right off. It's quite easy, but be careful of the motor when you're doing this.
The only problem with 8t pinions, according to some reviews I've read, is that they might not mesh well with the main gear, whether you use the stock main gear or the Blade 400 main gear. As inexpensive as pinions are, I'd get both an 8t and a 9t to experiment with if I were you.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=78_512&products_id=7255
Good luck.

[airheli1201]

The Blade 400 main gear is a nice mod, I use it myself. The hardened steel pinions you are going for are the set-screw type, which will require lockitite to be held in place (The set-screws are never secure enough; IMO they're only used to keep the pinion in place after the locktite is applied). Get the blue kind, not the red, red = permanent. Later on when you want to remove the pinion, you can either use a pinion puller, or heat up the pinion with an open flame (which melts the locktite) and slip it right off. It's quite easy, but be careful of the motor when you're doing this.
The only problem with 8t pinions, according to some reviews I've read, is that they might not mesh well with the main gear, whether you use the stock main gear or the Blade 400 main gear. As inexpensive as pinions are, I'd get both an 8t and a 9t to experiment with if I were you.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=78_512&products_id=7255
Good luck.

hey thanks man for those tips.
very useful.
going to order now.
hopefully i will get it soon!!

oh btw guys what is your average flight time per pack?
i fly for around 6.30mins and cells are still like 3.7

[broggyr]

The very best advice is to experiment with what works best for you. Get some different sizes, etc - maybe you'll like a different setup, etc.

I think I was getting about 8min per pack, 1800mah. Haven't flown in over a month, but hopefully this will change this week...

[airheli1201]

hey broggyr

what else do you fly then apart from king 2??

[airheli1201]

there doesn't seem to be much HBK2 flyers in crackroll eh??:p

i want to fly mine now!! but i have got soo much stupid assignments in college!!!:(

[flightcrazed]

there doesn't seem to be much HBK2 flyers in crackroll eh??:p

i want to fly mine now!! but i have got soo much stupid assignments in college!!!:(

Seems to be a lot of fuel fliers out there.. I am pulling away from nitro all together, it's all about electrics for me now! I just came in from running a pack through my HBK2.. Not to rub it in or anything0:)..

[airheli1201]

Seems to be a lot of fuel fliers out there.. I am pulling away from nitro all together, it's all about electrics for me now! I just came in from running a pack through my HBK2.. Not to rub it in or anything0:)..

i don't think i will ever go to fuel. because electric is just so easy!

[flightcrazed]

I only had glow planes, never flew a glow heli. But the clean up alone is a drag!! Not to mention the cost of the fuel all the time.

[broggyr]

Unfortunately, the King2 is the only heli I have. Maybe this will change, but I should learn to fly one before I start amassing a collection. Much easier on the wallet, too :)

[flightcrazed]

Unfortunately, the King2 is the only heli I have. Maybe this will change, but I should learn to fly one before I start amassing a collection. Much easier on the wallet, too :)

I hear that! I have a CX2 that I learned a lot on, but my HBK2 is my only "real" heli. What a big difference between the two! The CX2 gave me a false sense that I would jump right into the HBK2... NOT! I'm getting better though!

[Sublime Snot]

The CX2 was my first heli as well. The HBK2 was my next. You're right about the difference, it was almost like learning how to fly all over again. I took my time, was real careful, and I got the hang of it soon enough. The HBK2 is my only "real" heli too. Unfortunately for my CX2, it's laying in the spare parts box because I harvested misc parts like servos and the receiver to experiment with on my King 2. The 4-in-1 had an AR6100 in it (that I broke :o) and unfortunately the LP5DSM does not support CCPM so in my quest to make a poor man's DX7, at the time, was at a dead end.
Anyway I plan to get a Blade 400 PNP kit this christmas, and a MSH Protos further down the road ;)

[broggyr]

I have been looking at this frame:
http://www.heli-fever.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=15&products_id=744&osCsid=as9aalki7idos9rrsj173j1ar1

It's a fiber frame, costs about $32 shipped with metal belt guides, and includes new servo linkages with ball ends, not z-bends (cyclic servos mount more similar to a T-rex as compared to the E-Sky or Xtreme frame).

Does anyone have experience with this frame?

[TXDave]

Hello, folks.

I'm a HBK2 owner for a couple of years. I'm also a perpetual noob, as I don't fly very often. Still on the steep part of the learning curve, mainly hovering and moving around a bit. Actually, I'm just taking the King out of mothballs, so to speak. I had gotten disgusted with a series of main shafts that were bent new in the box, and put it up on a shelf. I've since bought and set up a CopterX 450 V2, also I've built a Sylvan Aircraft Frenzee wing, and I have a PZ Ember. Now I've decided to re-awaken the sleeping King.

My birdie is fairly stock -- the only mods are the E-Sky 3100 motor and 25A ESC, HB Cool canopy, T-Rex 450 batwing tail blades, and a Rube Goldberg-ish angled battery tray. In the past I had a CF boom and Walkera 36 tail rotor slider and holders, but lost those in the last crash. Oh; I'm using a Hitec Eclipse radio for the King. I have a Spektrum DX6i, but haven't installed a Spektrum rx in the King. Trying to keep the cost down, don't you know.

My first question to the group is: where do you buy parts? There's only one LHS (known to me) that carries any parts for these guys, and the websites I've used that seem reasonable are slickzero, bphobbies, JAGHobbies, helidirect, and rcsupersales. Seems crazy to me that frequently parts for my T-Rex clone are cheaper than parts for the King!

Dave

[flightcrazed]

I get most of my parts from ka-planes (http://ka-planes.com/home). I get from there because I'm in FL, and so are they. My LHS doesn't carry and esky parts at all, so it's all on line for me. Really sux if you can't fly and have to wait for parts! Glad to hear your getting the King out of the "moth balls"!

[broggyr]

I can buy HBK2 parts from a local shop, but my main online e-sky vendor is www.ushobbysupply.com -- I have also heard great things about ka-planes, tho I have yet to order from them.

[TXDave]

Thanks. I think I've browsed past ka-planes and ushobbysupply before -- I'll have to give another look.

King Spinner, while not in perfect health, is *probably* airworthy again. I had pulled the main shaft to check its straightness (it's straight), put it back together tonight and set blade pitch. Tail servo is close, but may need a flight test to set properly. There's still a vibration in the heli somewhere that wasn't there in the old days, but it ain't bad, certainly no worse than my 450. Belt seems a bit tight; can that cause a vibe?

So, when I get a good day with little wind (scarce the last few days ), I'm going to take the King for a spin!

Dave

[airheli1201]

Thanks. I think I've browsed past ka-planes and ushobbysupply before -- I'll have to give another look.

King Spinner, while not in perfect health, is *probably* airworthy again. I had pulled the main shaft to check its straightness (it's straight), put it back together tonight and set blade pitch. Tail servo is close, but may need a flight test to set properly. There's still a vibration in the heli somewhere that wasn't there in the old days, but it ain't bad, certainly no worse than my 450. Belt seems a bit tight; can that cause a vibe?

So, when I get a good day with little wind (scarce the last few days ), I'm going to take the King for a spin!

Dave

belt too tight does indeed causes vibration. and it causes the motor to draw more current.

[TXDave]

Thanks, airheli. I'll check the belt again. I found today that one of the flybar paddles was a tick out of alignment as well. Still didn't get to fly, and forecast is calling for increasing winds. I really need a gym or something to practice in!

Dave

[TXDave]

Belt tension adjusted. Now I will have to wait for time and weather (neither likely to cooperate this weekend) or move the cars out of the garage for my reacquaintance flight.

Dave

[airheli1201]

same here. outside is very windy now

[TXDave]

Wind is almost always a factor here. At least for me, and at my rudimentary skill level.

This weekend we also have homecoming game at daughter's school, and we're going to the Alliance Airport Airshow tomorrow after church. Then it's supposed to rain on Monday and Tuesday, yard work will be due on Wednesday and/or Thursday. Sheesh. As they say, "Life is what happens to you while you are making plans".

BUT I'm happy to say that I now have 2 helis and 2 planes that are flyable (under the right conditions :))

Dave

[Sublime Snot]

The wind is virtually everywhere, you just have to learn how to fly with it :)

[airheli1201]

if i get rich, i will definitely get a big indoor place for just for flying!!
so i can fly whenever i want!!!!!!

[Dash C]

I am currently flying a walkera 22e (same as Venom Night Ranger 3d)
I'd like to get a belt driven ccpm and am considering the HBK2. I was wondering though.. can you autogyro with it? it seems that most of the 450 helis have 2 main gears.. one being for auto-ing im assuming.
I'd really like a 450, but the hbk is so affordable. I just wonder what its capable of.

(I have a 4200kv motor, esc and jr radio waiting for a heli kit...I really want to build one)

cmon guys talk me into it.

[Rotorwrecker]

Well if you're looking to practice autos, I would suggest getting something larger. 500 or bigger. The smaller the heli is, the more difficult it will be to do auto rotations on.
I don’t know about the walkera 22e but I would say go with the HBK2 or the new HBK3 and from what I have read they are stable, sturdy, durable, cheap and easy to fix, and low maintenance, that why I just order one for my self. I also just wanted something I could throw around my yard .

[Sublime Snot]

Dash C,

The main reason why I got a HBK2 instead of something like a TRex 450 or Blade 400 was because of how affordable it was. It's a great heli, but considering other helis on the market, the HBK2 is something I no longer recommend to experienced heli flyers like you. I'm not completely familiar with the helis you mention; just about the only thing you'll appreciate the most on the King 2 is its belt-driven tail system.
If you want your HBK2 to fly effectively at all, it's mandatory that you upgrade to a brushless motor system; every HBK2 owner knows that and has done it. It's an upgrade that can easily set you back another $50. The usual initial cost for the HBK2 is around $150. So adding up to $200, you could instead get a Belt-CP, slightly bigger (more stable), better designed, and already has a brushless motor system installed. It's like the bigger brother of the HBK2, they use the same head assembly as far as I know and even have some interchangeable parts. With the Belt-CP, you don't have to upgrade/mod it as much to get it flying right and has a wider variety of interchangeable parts with other helis in its class.
If I had to do it all over again, and did my math for the costs between the two helis, I would have bought the Belt-CP instead of the King 2. But I don't completely regret it, upgrading and modifying my King 2 frequently has taught me a lot about CCPM helis. It flies great and is just the right size for flying in this cramped neighborhood of mine.
Considering the equipment you have on hold for another heli, I would look into either a Belt-CP or a E-Flite Blade 400 Plug-N-Play kit. The Blade 400 is the next heli I plan to get; I'm looking for something a little bit bigger but a good comparable size to the King 2. Nothing too big though, as much as I want a 500-600 class size heli (Dream Heli: MSH Protoshttp://i36.tinypic.com/255uurr.jpg), I simply can't afford it yet :o.
I wonder when the King 3 comes out, because if it's soon, I would wait. Esky is also coming out with a Belt-CP 2, but I haven't seen much info on that heli yet. They've already released the Esky 500, but I have yet to see how that one is doing. Esky helis in general are great entry-level helicopters, but for experienced flyers, I urge them to look into better brands like E-Flite or Align. Anyway, here are some videos of some of the best HBK2 flying seen anywhere on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyZbz42xg0w&feature=PlayList&p=402B529ABDE3DE8B&index=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-UWyE9bq00&feature=PlayList&p=402B529ABDE3DE8B&index=17

You might have seen these videos before, but there they are anyway. Let me know what you think.

[Rotorwrecker]

I would say do your home work and talk to people that have had the HBK2
And the Belt Cp to see what they liked and disliked about each one.
You will also be able to find out what each one needed to make it reliable.

From what I have read about the Belt Cp You will probably have to replace the following items for the stock Belt Cp to be reliable: esc- gyro a cheap HH like a telebee- servos like the hs56's .

And for the HBK2 it’s the HDX300 2.3mm Brushless Motor 2.3mm with a 10t pinion

Now this is just my finding so I cant say for sure witch is better.
The last electric I had was about 7years ago and think it was a :BS: hornet
tried to fly the :BS: one time in my living room, Hit the fire place and then the lamp :eek:
First and last time I had touched it until it got traded for another nitro.

[broggyr]

Dash-C:

The larger main gear on a Belt-CP or Trex (and many other helis) is what the motor drives. The slightly smaller main gear turns a small shaft at the rear which spins the tail belt. The King2 uses a pulley on the main shaft for the belt, which is why you only see one gear on the King2 and similar helis.

[Dash C]

very nice replies..
I was, until now, under the impression that the belt cp was smaller than the hbk2.

I would LOVE to get a 500 class heli.. but like others mentioned.. can't afford it.

I also didn't realize that eflight was a "better brand" heli than esky.. is that a matter of opinion? or is that manufacturing/component quality?

I wouldn't call myself "experienced" I can hover fairly well in most orientations and have ff flight down pretty well, but slow forward flight is somewhat tricky.
I can't really progress to backward flight because of the crappy gyro that the 22e comes with and a fp tail.
its just too stinkin hard to do..

I understand that the smaller heli's are typicaly less stable. -im used to unstable with the 22e (they suck for stability, but great to learn on for the same reason)
it sounds like as long as its a belt/shaft driven tail w/ a one way gear you COULD practice autoing..
I just know its impossible with a direct drive tail.

again, thanks for the replies and any more info/suggestions you have are welcome.

[Sublime Snot]

Nice to hear from you. E-Flite is in fact a better brand. They're higher-quality and have decent electronics, unlike Esky (their motors are alright though). But in turn, their prices are higher than Esky's. Esky has great entry-level helis but they won't satisfy experienced pilots looking for better performance from a helicopter.

So anyway, what heli are you thinking about getting?

[Kam Arrow]

it sounds like as long as its a belt/shaft driven tail w/ a one way gear you COULD practice autoing..
.

While it is possible to autorotate with a King 2, it is just not realistic.
This heli and any other of this size, or anything smaller than a 500 just doesn't have heavy enough blades to perform the maneuver except in an emergency.
It can be done, it just isn't practical.
The blades just don't maintain the headspeed to stop the descent for a landing.
Bill

[Sublime Snot]

I'd have to agree. I've noticed the blades on a King 2 stop spinning long before the blades stop spinning on a bigger heli such as an MSH Protos or TRex 600. Out of curiosity, I'll have to experiment with the throttle-hold switch on my own time though, for landing purposes.

[Rotorwrecker]

Dash C here something you mite want to look at seeing you already have a TX and a Motor
http://www.xheli.com/exi-450-arf-rc-helicopter.html

[Dash C]

Ive considered the exi 450 but have heard mixed reviews as to compatability with trex parts.
that and I've heard the quality isn't quite the same compared to a copterx/trex clone. but.. none of that is from personal experience.. just a few couple people that I've heard suggest that they've had a hard time upgrading/fixing exi helis..

I'd like a 450 size or bigger. mainly because with bigger heli's you generaly get more stability/control. but also because of the belt tail system. separate electronics just seems to be the only sensible way to operate if your serious. there are ways around 4in1's with direct drive, but I question weather or not its worth the hassle. (for the cost of upgrading a direct drive heli to operate with seperate electronics you've got a decent kit payed for..)

I hear about people auto-ing trex's and the like.. i assume thats 450 and above.
I've looked at the belt cp and hbk2 in passing and thought I'd give em a closer look now that Ive decided to buy a bigger heli rather than mod my 22e.
I've also considered the blade 400 and ThunderTiger's mini Titan325 (though I think its a bit too small)

[Sublime Snot]

Auto-Rotations aren't the only thing you can do with a heli, there's so much more you can do, so idk why you're so concerned about that :D. I think the Blade 400 PNP is a good way to go, but if you prefer to build your heli from the ground up, you won't be disappointed in buying a TRex 450.

[broggyr]

Me, I'd be happy if I could just fly it. :)

I saw where someone posted on a forum somewhere that said if your headspeed is too high, it may cause your tail to wag. I was having serious wag on my King2 with a WK-G011 HH gyro (both in rate mode & HH), and nothing I could do from the radio would help. I was using a 4200kv motor.

I just replaced the motor with a 3100kv (the 4200 burned up for some reason, and the 3100 was a gift) and I am no longer getting the tail wag (well, for the 30 seconds I flew it for)...

I'll see more when I try to put a pack through it...

[Rotorwrecker]

I had looked at Raptor E550 and the mini my self but I alredy have 3 raptors now and just wanted to try something else and small Enough and cheap for my yard.

But for the Price of the Blade400 and the Mini titan and from what it looks like.
Something bigger is what you really want

you mite even want to go this way ;)

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/10637

[Dash C]

lol
I'd LOVE to go with a 550 or 500 class.
components are too flipping expensive though.
I'm sure I could be careful and shop for a while and get some decent deals.. but man.
you could drop $400 easily on components for those things.
Im hoping for $400 tops, rtf (since I already have radio and motor/esc..)

and yes I know theres more to life than auto's.. Its just something that I'd like to learn.
I was watching szabo jr do them with his trex.. man that guys amazing with a heli.

I've found out that the numbers don't mean squat about the heli..
trex 450/blade400/minititan325 = same size. I HAVE noticed that almost everyone that flies any of these almost always ends up moding with trex parts. I think even some belt cp mod with trex parts.

so im really thinkin I might save and get a copter x unless something extra-ordinary comes along.
-sure wish I would win that outrage package....

[Sublime Snot]

I have not owned a CopterX before but I've heard they fly pretty smoothly. Some who have had the King 2 first and then a CopterX say that the CopterX is much more enjoyable and better to fly. I say go for it.

[broggyr]

Here's a vid of my flying tonight after the rebuild. Nothing fancy (this is all I am basically capable of so far!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX4bPN6FKBI

[Sublime Snot]

Lookin good man. Your gyro appears to be blinking. What's your setup?

And Dash C,

After the CopterX (or which ever heli you plan to get), you could probably consider the Esky E-Smart (commonly referred to as the ES600) later on. It's a 600 size electric, and probably the only heli that Esky did a really good job on. It's a great heli, performs well with a low-entry cost for a heli it's size. If I can't afford an MSH Protos, this big bird is my next choice for another heli (after another 400 size heli).
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_223&products_id=2105
There are multiple kits for this heli, some are all metal, some are semi-metal. Consider that link as a possibility. There's a guy on here, nuttcaze, that has two of these helis and is currently working on a third. If you'd like you could ask him about it and I'm sure he'll give you a ton of info on the ES600 in terms of a great setup for somewhere around $600 (assuming if you were to start from scratch, buying a radio and charger and everything. You already have a radio, so probably even less than that). You could also browse the E-Smart forum and see what's goin on.
Here's his youtube profile. Most of his videos are currently about his ES600's.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nuttcaze
It's probably way too expensive for you right now, but like I said, it's something to consider later on after your next heli ;)

EDIT: Don't underestimate it's size, the ES600 is pretty damn huge. Seeing that the canopy designed had not changed, the first glance gave me the impression that it was about the same size as the King or Belt-CP, until I saw the specs and the additional pictures :eek:

[broggyr]

It's a Walkera radio system (got it cheap) WK-0701 Tx and RX-701 with a WK-G011 gyro. Gyro was a gift from someone's neighbor who crashed an Exceed G2. When the heading is stable, the LED glows steady. When correcting or yawing, it will blink.

The problem is I must adjust the gain from the radio (no gain pot on gyro) but it is darn near impossible to do from the Walkera Tx - instructions exist on the web, but none of it seem to have an impact.
With all that, it still holds much better than the E-Sky rate gyro I was using...

I just bought a Futaba T7CHP set (thanks dad!) and this should allow me to adjust the gyro gain more effectively.

---

Per HeliDirect's listing, the E-Smart has a main blade diameter of 1185mm. Not a small heli! Not bad for $200 with motor!
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_223&products_id=2105

[Dash C]

It's a Walkera radio system (got it cheap) WK-0701 Tx and RX-701 with a WK-G011 gyro.
-yikes.. careful with those walkera electronics.. they glitch regularly.
most of the guys on the rcu forum have issues with the stock walkera electronics.
a few of them have gone to separates, or are trying to upgrade to a 2.4ghz.

one of the reasons I bought a comp radio. problem was I bought it before doing my homework on what it'd take to run separates with my 22e.
-Im close to an expert now... so I'm not gunna do it :D

kinda like this..:blockhead:

[Sublime Snot]

Found some really good info from nuttcaze's homepage about the ES600.
http://mysite.verizon.net/bizwptdb/id12.html

[broggyr]

Great page! Maybe, next year, I'll move up to the ES600... :)

[Dash C]

I watched some of his vids..
That heli really does look nice! Its still a bit pricey for me though.
those components man.. sheesh $80 for an esc. $100 for a battery.. not to mention servos and a gyro for a heli that size. yikes.
im just not ready for it. (maybe after I finish shcool and get a real job :-))

on another note, I think I've decided to go with an exi trex clone.
xheli has their pro version for like $180. and you can get free shipping with a coupon code from www.retailmenot.com

-did you guys know about that site? type in the retail websites address like "www.ehirobo.com" in their search field and they give you all the latest coupon codes to save $$ or get free shipping and stuff.

anyway I did some more research on the exi kits and it sounds like it was just the older versions that were less compatible with trex stuff. so I can get a CF frame with aluminum bits for $189ish. -pry less on black friday.
I've just been noticing that almost everyone mods with trex parts to get better flight stability/consistancy, so why not just start with a Trex clone. :shrug:

[Sublime Snot]

I watched some of his vids..
That heli really does look nice! Its still a bit pricey for me though.
those components man.. sheesh $80 for an esc. $100 for a battery.. not to mention servos and a gyro for a heli that size. yikes.
im just not ready for it. (maybe after I finish shcool and get a real job :-))

I know what you mean, I need to finish high school and get a job as well :D. All the money I have saved up could only afford me a King 2. I'd have several more helis by now if I had a weekend job maybe...
$80 is kind of a minimum for a nice ESC. If you look at a Kontronik Jazz ESC, you could spend around $300 on it. That's a lot of coin to drop on an ESC IMO, but I've heard they're really nice (at that price, they better be!). $100 is also a pretty low price for a battery at 4000mAh, they could easily be about $200-$300, which used to be one of the biggest downsides for owning a gigantic electric heli. I've been doing a parts huntdown for the ES600; looking for good performance parts at great prices. If you can find the right stuff, you can have the heli up and flying under $600.

On a side note, my neighbor (who I introduced into the hobby) just bought a Blade 400 and Trex 600 electric yesteryday. Makes me real jealous, though he has the money for the hobby, I'm the one with the knowledge and skills :rolleyes:. He's a friend of mine though, the only flying experience he's had is with the CX2, so I spent a lot of time at his house teaching him how to tune up his Blade 400 and use his newly acquired Spektrum DX6i radio. It's a lot for him to take in for just one day; he didn't want to crash his new heli at first flight so he asked me to do a flight test for him. So I did, after the first spool up, the Blade sounded like a powerhouse, my neighbor's friends were pretty impressed. It didn't take off all that nicely though, had some close-calls, but after more fine-tuning, it could hold a stable hover. A Blade 400 is a heli I've been wanting for a while, so flying it was almost as good as having it. It felt a lot like flying my King 2, but this opinion might change after I do some real flying with the 400 ;).

The Trex 600 Electric is still on it's way over here. He's probably going to ask me to fly that as well http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs093.gif. Keep in mind I've only flown the King 2 and barely the Blade 400. Of course, we still need to build it up first and find a way to charge that humongous battery. I'm not sure if he bought a charger that is capable of charging 6S batteries. I'll be looking up tips on how to build this monster of a heli. It feels pretty good to be the teacher :cool:, he'll need to master the 400 first before he attempts the 600 :D.

Good day :drinking:

[delvallejr]

I get most of my parts from ka-planes (http://ka-planes.com/home). I get from there because I'm in FL, and so are they...


Greetings All! I'm new to this site. :)


Thanks FlightCrazed for mention of KA-Planes. I have been looking for a FL source for esky stuff...and they had what I needed in stock :D. I got my stuff in two days! :clap:

I've had my king for about 8 month now and I love it. Even with its know weaknesses. I like to tinker as much as I like to fly. I have learned a lot about heli's in general with this bird. I have also flown the AXE CP, which I dumped for my King, and my other love, the Hirobo XRB SR Shuttle (coax). I have the CNC Head and Grips with plastic washout and swashplate. I have the 3100 and 3900 brushless motors(not sure which is on now) using a Dynam 18a ESC. Using stock belt pulley. No tail authority issues, just some wagging do to an elusive vibration that I think I have isolated to the purple head center. I have recently added the plastic TREX 450 slider, plastic TREX 450 tail grips/hub set, and the new slightly larger TREX 450 tail blades(i think they are the batwing ones).

I am using stock TX. My pearl of wisdom about this TX is to slide each of the trims and twist the nobs back and forth several times before use. It seems to improve the contacts by wiping, i guess, and any jitters that I used to get seem to go away. I can only imagine that it is some oxidation on the surfaces of the POTs. I gotta live this way until I can get a better TX. Saddly I must sell (or trade) my XRB in order to get a better TX. :( (please see my post in the FSW section 0:) )

I also have slightly changed the stock canopy to better match my style...I have also edited the skin of HBKII in ClearView flight sim to match...this way when I can't fly my King...I can still fly my King...:cool:

I'll post pics later...my pc that has those pics is down. :nothappy:

Oh well.

Happy Flying to all!!!

And remember: Two wrongs don't make it right, but two Wright make it fly, and three rights make a left.

[delvallejr]

...
The Trex 600 Electric is still on it's way over here. He's probably going to ask me to fly that as well http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs093.gif. Keep in mind I've only flown the King 2 ...
Good day :drinking:


Use Extreme!!!!!!!! Caution. That thing is big and can kill!!!! I have heard horror stories about big helis and accidents. :eek: I recommend that you only fly that at the flying field and with an experienced instructor. Make sure that you both have current AMA membership so that there is some insurance coverage. This one is not a toy

Sorry to be so doom and gloom...I had a friend of mine show off his... Super Cool!!!! but it scared the hell out of me when I stopped to think about it. Imaging something spinning as fast as the head on the king but much bigger and much heavier.

Just think "frog in a blender" :p

Happy Flying!

[Sublime Snot]

I appreciate the wise advice, delvallejr. I am very aware of the danger and will use nothing but the utmost extreme caution. If necessary my neighbor and I could drive down to the LHS and have a guy who usually flies Raptor .90's test fly it for us.
Personally, I don't see my neighbor's logic in buying a TRex 600e at his current skill level. He's only mastered the CX2, and today I saw him do a sort of messy hover with the Blade 400. Hmm...must have been a really good deal on Ebay :rolleyes:. I think his hunger for a bigger heli got to him :D. I'm afraid his 'rex 600 will be sitting on the bench for a long time, unless he lets me fly it often...or gets crazy one day and tries it himself. But if I knew that was going to happen, I wouldn't let him, even if it was his heli.
I've heard a couple of horror stories, where a guy actually did die flying his gasser, and another story where a guy lost his hand and shattered his Tx when his heli's main rotor got too close. Man, I'd hate to lose my hands :eek::(

[flightcrazed]

Greetings All! I'm new to this site. :)


Thanks FlightCrazed for mention of KA-Planes. I have been looking for a FL source for esky stuff...and they had what I needed in stock :D. I got my stuff in two days! :clap:


Sweet! glad I could help in any way possible! It's nice to have a supplier close enough to receive parts quickly.. They're good about shipping things out quick, and they'll also pick the phone up and answer any questions. Good people!

[delvallejr]

I appreciate the wise advice, delvallejr. I am very aware of the danger and will use nothing but the utmost extreme caution. If necessary my neighbor and I could drive down to the LHS and have a guy who usually flies Raptor .90's test fly it for us.
Personally, I don't see my neighbor's logic in buying a TRex 600e at his current skill level. He's only mastered the CX2, and today I saw him do a sort of messy hover with the Blade 400. Hmm...must have been a really good deal on Ebay :rolleyes:. I think his hunger for a bigger heli got to him :D. I'm afraid his 'rex 600 will be sitting on the bench for a long time, unless he lets me fly it often...or gets crazy one day and tries it himself. But if I knew that was going to happen, I wouldn't let him, even if it was his heli.
I've heard a couple of horror stories, where a guy actually did die flying his gasser, and another story where a guy lost his hand and shattered his Tx when his heli's main rotor got too close. Man, I'd hate to lose my hands :eek::(

:o Thanks, Sublime...I'm not so wise. ;) Sorry to be so preachy 0:)

You know what you're doing...now go out there and have some fun, gosh darn it. :p

[broggyr]

now go out there and have some fun, gosh darn it. :p
Now, of course: "Videos, or it didn't happen" :D:D

[DeadTom]

Does anyone know if the Trex 450 head and swashplate will fit on the HBKv2?
I would like to use the Align parts as they are very readily available at 4 out of the 5 LHS's here in Town.
I also hate the tracking issues with the King, I have just installed the 43t pulley and some CF blades but I have not had a chance to fly it yet.

[Sublime Snot]

:o Thanks, Sublime...I'm not so wise. ;) Sorry to be so preachy 0:)

You know what you're doing...now go out there and have some fun, gosh darn it. :p
Ain't nothing wrong with that. In a sense, I can't wait to try it out...needs to be built up first though...

Now, of course: "Videos, or it didn't happen" :D:D

A video eh? Sure thing, all I'm gonna try to do with the beast is a simple hover, but it's gonna be one hell of an adrenaline rush http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif

[TXDave]

Does anyone know if the Trex 450 head and swashplate will fit on the HBKv2?
I would like to use the Align parts as they are very readily available at 4 out of the 5 LHS's here in Town.
I also hate the tracking issues with the King, I have just installed the 43t pulley and some CF blades but I have not had a chance to fly it yet.

The head will fit, but requires a modified main shaft -- you have to cut a bit off the top of a King shaft or drill a hole for the tail drive pulley through the rex shaft. You'll need a HBK-specific swash, though, becasue of the servo placement. And the ball links are a different size. I don't have a lot of details as I haven't done it myself. Perhaps others will add more ...

Dave

[delvallejr]

Now, of course: "Videos, or it didn't happen" :D:D

Well, I had to go hunting...I found only one. You Tube wanted me to confirm my bday to view it...let me just say that it was like something you see on the Discovery Channel during Shark Week. the slice on the guys leg was deep and wide.... :eek:

I will not post the link...you will have to go look for it yourselves. :jawdropper: :crutch:


Ps. The following is a screenshot of the ClearView Sim's HBK2 that I modified the skin of the canopy to look like my real HBK2's paint scheme :) (my other PC is still down so i got to take a new picture of my real bird to post...soon to follow :D

[DeadTom]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the fast response. I have just about had enough of ordering parts and waiting for them to show up (This heli is my test bed for aerobatics so it gets crashed on occasion). It will be much easier to convert to the Align parts. I did find on RCgroups that someone had used a Blade 400 swash plate with a Trex SA head on their HBKv2. I do have extra main shafts so I guess I will do some experimenting here in the next few days.

Tom

[delvallejr]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the fast response. I have just about had enough of ordering parts and waiting for them to show up (This heli is my test bed for aerobatics so it gets crashed on occasion). It will be much easier to convert to the Align parts. I did find on RCgroups that someone had used a Blade 400 swash plate with a Trex SA head on their HBKv2. I do have extra main shafts so I guess I will do some experimenting here in the next few days.

Tom

Hey DT, search also through RCG and others for head mods to the Belt CP. It uses the same head components as the HBK2. Many guys are replace parts on their Belt CPs with the TREX, Copterx, and others parts.

The only other bit of advice I can offer is to make sure that the TREX head you get is the one for the CCPM 120 deg swash config. The primary difference from what I have seen with TREX swash and the King's swash is the side in which the anti-rotation bracket thing is located (thing that keeps lower have of swash from spinning).

This: http://www.ka-planes.com/inc/sdetail/820
vs.
This: http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=4509

You don't wan this: http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=105

I am providing the links for informational purposes only. I am not affiliated with either website referenced. They were just the quickest way for me to illustrate my point. :)

I myself have successfully added the following TREX parts to my King. I have seen some improvement, even though I was pretty satisfied with how it was stock. :blockhead:

http://www.ka-planes.com/inc/sdetail/13387
http://www.ka-planes.com/inc/sdetail/14214
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=6354

[DeadTom]

Thanks delvallejr, much appreciated for your help. I definetly want to know what I am buying first before going to the hobby shop.
I have a fairly nice shop setup so I can drill the main shafts easily with my drill press.

Tom

[delvallejr]

No prob...TREX 450 and Blade 400 shafts are the ones I have heard most people use.

[TXDave]

Thanks Dave I appreciate the fast response. I have just about had enough of ordering parts and waiting for them to show up (This heli is my test bed for aerobatics so it gets crashed on occasion). It will be much easier to convert to the Align parts. I did find on RCgroups that someone had used a Blade 400 swash plate with a Trex SA head on their HBKv2. I do have extra main shafts so I guess I will do some experimenting here in the next few days.

Tom

I feel your pain. :) The lack of local parts support was what made me shelve the king and buy the copterX. I un-retired the king mainly to have another model to fly at the indoor events a LHS had set up (we're looking for another place right now), but assuming my rudimentary skills have progressed beyond the one flight = one crash equation, I might just keep him running. If there was a pulley that attached via grub screw it would make the head swap much easier. I don't have a drill press, so making that retainer pin hole would be quite a challenge for me. The most I'll likely do is swap out some head parts for the belt-cp ones to get ball links and bearings. But not for a while ...

Dave

[delvallejr]

I feel your pain. :) ... I don't have a drill press, so making that retainer pin hole would be quite a challenge for me. The most I'll likely do is swap out some head parts for the belt-cp ones to get ball links and bearings. But not for a while ...

Dave


Dave,

It is not impossible withoug a drill press. Hold the original king saft and the new shaft with screws at the top and bottom of the shafts. Then, use the retaining pin hole on the king shaft as the guide and go. :) Of course if you have at least a vise too, it would be even easier.

[broggyr]

I have hard-core evidence that a proper radio makes one 'heli-va' difference. I just got done with the basic installation and setup of a brand-new Futaba T7CHP computer radio, a birthday gift from my father. After setting the gyro, swash, endpoints, etc (Thanks Finless & HeliFreak!) this King is more stable and responsive than ever before.

I was having problems running the WK-G011 gyro with the Walkera radio, but now that there is a gyro menu in the new radio, I can set that directly. I had it to the point that I was sitting in one of my easy chairs, flying the heli about 2 feet away, 2 feet above the floor, and was able to keep it from drifting more than about 10 inches in any direction with ease.

After I finally figured out how to set different curves for Normal & Idle-Up, I got that working too. I am so psyched now to get home! I brought my batteries & charger to work so I can charge the lipos and keep an eye on them (takes 4 hours EACH with the stock E-Sky charger :D )

[airheli1201]

hey broggyr

it takes you 4 hrs to charge one battery??? shouldn't you invest in a good charger??

[broggyr]

Yep - 1800mah 11.1v lipo takes about 4 hrs using the small E-Sky charger. I should invest in a better charger, but can't rightly afford it now. All is good, I take the batts and charger to work, and at the end of an 8-hour workday, my batts are charged :)

Hopefully soon, this will change... Anyway, I'd rather have the better radio before the better charger :D

[delvallejr]

Yep - 1800mah 11.1v lipo takes about 4 hrs using the small E-Sky charger. I should invest in a better charger, but can't rightly afford it now. All is good, I take the batts and charger to work, and at the end of an 8-hour workday, my batts are charged :)

Hopefully soon, this will change... Anyway, I'd rather have the better radio before the better charger :D


ditto! :D

[flightcrazed]

I'm in the same boat, but I have 2 stock type chargers, so I can charge 2 batts at a time. I too say a better radio is 1st in line before a charger!

[delvallejr]

...


Ps. The following is a screenshot of the ClearView Sim's HBK2 that I modified the skin of the canopy to look like my real HBK2's paint scheme :) (my other PC is still down so i got to take a new picture of my real bird to post...soon to follow :D

Hey, guys...I finally got a pic of my actual King to show off (look at my avitar) :clap: I am also including a few picks of the TREX Slider I fitted on. It is very smoothe.:cool: The tail blades and the tail blade grips and hub set are also for a Trex.

[broggyr]

Looks great. Looks like the Trex tail grips holds the blades a little better...

[delvallejr]

Yes, is does seem so. The grips are a little bigger and so are the blades. I have better tail authority without having to do the 43t Xtreme upgrade. Even though the cost was about the same. :) The tail however needed attention because of the binding.

[TXDave]

Dave,

It is not impossible withoug a drill press. Hold the original king saft and the new shaft with screws at the top and bottom of the shafts. Then, use the retaining pin hole on the king shaft as the guide and go. :) Of course if you have at least a vise too, it would be even easier.

Great idea! I DO have a vise, a Dremel, and several tiny drill bits. I might have to try this!

Dave

[TXDave]

I bought the DNPower G2 charger last year. It's ok, still wouldn't be a bad choice, you can get 'em for about $70 I think, with no AC power supply.

But! fmadirect.com is selling off their Cellpro 4s chargers because it's been replaced with a newer model I think. They're going for $49. To make it useful you have to add a card to connect to your batts, and a power supply to use house current, and shipping of course. Total for all that is in the neighborhood of $90, but it's a very good charger. FYI ...
Dave

[delvallejr]

Dave:

Following is a link with picks on how one guy was doing the drilling. This should be useful.

http://www.heliguy.com/Forum/how-to-drill-a-hole-in-a-shaft-t20861.html

There is one other post that I have seen that better describes what I wrote in my previous post. As soon as I find it I will post the link here. :)

[Dash C]

DNpower? thats not a DynaPower... ??

I've heard they blow up.:eek:
..I hope not. cuz that would suck

[flightcrazed]

Hey guys, just thought I'd share a video from yesterdays flying.. I'm not flying 3D yet but I'm getting a lot more comfortable with the sticks! Maybe I'll get over to the field today and try a back flip or a roll...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guBD6LxdwzQ

[Kam Arrow]

Nice video.
Very smooth flight.
I got to fly yesterday and had my first inverted hover at less than knee high.
Its kind of breezy today so I don't know if I will go out.
Bill

[flightcrazed]

Thanks Bill, I can't wait till I can get this thing flipped over!! Were your knees knockin' together??

[Kam Arrow]

No, I have been practicing up higher for a few weeks and just finally brought it down low.

[Sublime Snot]

Hey man, if you think you can do a back flip, GO FOR IT!!! Don't do anything that's way out of your comfort zone though.
I did my first one today. It's scary as hell seeing your bird move like that, but the scariness goes away and it gets fun really fast, and after you've done it once, you'll discover it's so easy to do, you'll wonder what you were afraid of in all your time of flying. :D It'll take some time getting used to seeing your bird move like that.

I find them easier to pull off at the end of a forward flight when you do a stall. Make sure you do it high up in the air like I did incase something doesn't turn out the way you expected it to ;). Good luck.

[broggyr]

Had my best flight ever so far. Was in the air doing some FF for about 3 minutes (longer than ever so far), was showing off for my dad. A sudden gust of wind came and I became disoriented - the heli came right at me. I had to duck out of the way, and the heli caught me in the back of my shin - have two small welts where the blades struck. No broken skin, I think I'll live.

Damage:
- Feathering Shaft
- Main Blades
- Upper mixing arm (ball)
- Washout-to-upper arm link (oval)
- Aluminum skid (snapped)

Gave me another opportunity to rebuild, and I think the heli gets better every time I do this - I am learning where things go, how they work, what they should feel like, etc. Heli is nice & smooth, smoother than ever. I am using an 11T with the 3100kv motor - I seem to like this combo better so far.

[Sublime Snot]

Hey man, I just crashed recently too. First time I've had a major crash since last chirstmas eve. I was trying to pull off another front flip, but I underestimated how much battery juice I had left (didn't have much, it was almost the end of my flight time). I tried to reestablish an upright hover, but it hit the grass anyway. In all of my time, I've never loved grass so much, the damage is only minimal. Only thing I need to replace is the blades. I could probably use the main gear again, barely any of the teeth were shaved off. I'm doing a maintenance/repair as I'm typing here. Will also need to check and see if the main shaft and spindle shaft are straight. After I get that all straightened out, I can probably be up and flying again. The Futaba S3114's are holding up real well, great servos, totally unharmed from the crash.

Anyway, crashes aren't so bad once you get to the repairing. Good to know you're becoming more familiar with where things go. Just make sure you clean off all the bearings, oil them, and reinstall them. And if you can, spray some silicon spray on the belt. It eliminates static electricity and lubricates your belt, making things much smoother and increasing your flight time. Have a good time getting your heli back up and flying.

[broggyr]

I forgot to add a main gear to the list of damaged items - I was in idle-up when I crashed :)
The upside is I was able to install the one-way into a new main gear upside-down. Why, you say? so I can flip the main gear upside down! This allows me to use the longer 'align-style' pinions without shimming the motor ;)

[TXDave]

DNpower? thats not a DynaPower... ??

I've heard they blow up.:eek:
..I hope not. cuz that would suck

Weird ... for a few days I couldn't get past a login to this site. Seems OK now!

Actually the charger is a Tenergy, I think DNPower may be a product line or something. I think Readyheli has these at a good price (where I got mine about a year ago). But if I were in the market I'd look really hard at the CellPro.

[broggyr]

Had my best flight ever so far on Sunday - 8 full minutes, no crash :). I set her down because I have my TX time set to 8 minutes (could probably go higher). It's set up so nicely now, I can hit full throttle/collective and the tail stayed in one place. Granted I am using the 3100kv and an 11T pinion, but my King hasn't ever flown this good before - or, for that matter, neither have I :D:D

[flightcrazed]

Had my best flight ever so far on Sunday - 8 full minutes, no crash :). I set her down because I have my TX time set to 8 minutes (could probably go higher). It's set up so nicely now, I can hit full throttle/collective and the tail stayed in one place. Granted I am using the 3100kv and an 11T pinion, but my King hasn't ever flown this good before - or, for that matter, neither have I :D:D

:clap:WTG!! Are you finding it hard to get that big smile off your face??:D

[broggyr]

After the shakes subsided, that was my next hurdle :D:D

[delvallejr]

I'm Happy to see that everyone is Happy! :clap: :clap:


Any of you using the DX6 (not the DX6i) with your HBK2? I have watched the Finless vids and have read several postings all around. I have the curves and the travel ranges set up pretty close to how the stock TX was set up (I think anyway). But for some reason I can't grasp and aspect of the gyro gain settings :blockhead: . I understand the relationship between the Trv Adj and Sub-trim on the GER channel and that either setting or combination of the two translate to the gain setting. Where I am getting stuck is in how to set the gain for the HH and the gain for the Normal independently. :confused:

Any ideas? If you have done this or are familiar with the DX6, I would appreciate your input!!!!! Other TXs, especially some of the newer models, are very clear in their Gyro programing, but their instructions don't translate easily to how the DX6 does it. Also, the DX7 was also more straight forward than the DX6's.

Do I need to follow the steps as outlined on page 87 of the DX6's manual, but using Ch 5 instead of Ch 4 in their example?

Thanks in advance for any input!

And, as always, I have a question that is probably more complicated than the answer :eek: :p

[DeadTom]

I had just put the 43t Extreme gear on my HBK2 and realized that the frame was cracked in the usual spot so I ordered a few parts to include the Extreme motor mount plate. A few good hours and I will finally see if this thing can fly like I want it to.

[broggyr]

delvallejr:

I can't really offer any advice since I use a Futaba 7C. In that radio, you assign a switch, then you set the values separately for each switch position.

DeadTom:

I'm very interested in seeing the frame stiffener installed - I am debating whether to go with the stiffener or just go for the entire CF frame - I really like the servo mounts on the CF frame...

PS - Let me know how you make out with the cnchelicopter parts - I had an issue with my washout set...

[DeadTom]

broggyr,
the extreme frame stiffener plate went on very easily and seems to make a huge difference as I can now get a good and consistent gear mesh.....maybe I will not eat as many pinions now :)
I will get some pics tonight and post, the installation only took about 15 mins but since I did some other upgrades I spent about 2 hours tinkering with it while I watched the election returns.
DT

[broggyr]

It appears you need longer screws for the motor - how much longer did you have to go? Also, how far is the motor from the front servo link? Can't wait for the pics :)

[delvallejr]

I'm Happy to see that everyone is Happy! :clap: :clap:


Any of you using the DX6 (not the DX6i) with your HBK2? I have watched the Finless vids and have read several postings all around. I have the curves and the travel ranges set up pretty close to how the stock TX was set up (I think anyway). But for some reason I can't grasp and aspect of the gyro gain settings :blockhead: . I understand the relationship between the Trv Adj and Sub-trim on the GER channel and that either setting or combination of the two translate to the gain setting. Where I am getting stuck is in how to set the gain for the HH and the gain for the Normal independently. :confused:

Any ideas? If you have done this or are familiar with the DX6, I would appreciate your input!!!!! Other TXs, especially some of the newer models, are very clear in their Gyro programing, but their instructions don't translate easily to how the DX6 does it. Also, the DX7 was also more straight forward than the DX6's.

Do I need to follow the steps as outlined on page 87 of the DX6's manual, but using Ch 5 instead of Ch 4 in their example?

Thanks in advance for any input!

And, as always, I have a question that is probably more complicated than the answer :eek: :p



:blockhead: Doh! :blockhead: I figured it out :eek: :cool: I had to flip the darn switch :rolleyes:

I could have sworn I had tried that :confused:

Don't you hate the obscene use of smilies? :Craven: :mad: :( :o :D 0:)


Thanks y'all.

[delvallejr]

Guys I have another curiosity that I would like your input. I posted this on another thread but I am deleting that one an moving it here. I hope you none of you mind.

What are the lengths of the connecting rods on your HBK2s? I know what the manual suggests, but it they are too short IMHO for proper pitch, especially with the stock TX.

Additional Info:
eSky Purple Head compunents except Swash and Washout are still stock.
Servo Connecting Rods aprox. 39 mm
Mixing Connecting Rods (swash to blade grip mixing arms) aprox. 60mm
-slight variation among them b/c of blade tricking and servo horn centering.

Thanks for your input.

[DeadTom]

Here are a few pics with the Extreme frame stiffener installed along with the aluminum hub and swash plate also installed. I still need to change out the servo to swash linkages with the extra alum balls I picked up from HD, so I don't know what my rod lengths are going to be just yet.
Speaking of HeliDirect, I want to thank them for getting these parts to my doorstep in a couple of days from clear across this great nation. They have parts for 5 of my current 6 helicopters.....all except the Century Hawk Pro in the background of all the pics.
Anyways, I hope these pics answer your questions.
DT

[delvallejr]

Here are a few pics with the Extreme frame stiffener installed along with the aluminum hub and swash plate also installed. I still need to change out the servo to swash linkages with the extra alum balls I picked up from HD, so I don't know what my rod lengths are going to be just yet.
Speaking of HeliDirect, I want to thank them for getting these parts to my doorstep in a couple of days from clear across this great nation. They have parts for 5 of my current 6 helicopters.....all except the Century Hawk Pro in the background of all the pics.
Anyways, I hope these pics answer your questions.
DT

Ditto on HD!

Cool pics...I think I might go with the stiffner too. Let us know how it goes. BTW...if that is a King in the front, it must be a Titan from Mt. Olympus in the back. :p

Cheers!

[DeadTom]

Forgot to mention that the Extreme kit comes with 2 sets of motor mount screws each with a different diameters per set. (This should cover most motor mounts).
I had the HDX motor mounted originally with the larger diameter hole and with screws I purchased, but with this stiffner plate I had to turn the motor 90 degrees to use the smaller mounting holes no big deal.
DT

[DeadTom]

Well on Friday I finished all of the tuning of the King and since it was windy outside and my wife had moved her car out of the garage I decided to do some hovering check out the mods, batteries charged the DX7 was ready to go and plugged in the battery to the King and no beeps from the Dynam 30a esc....then I tried adding some throttle and the motor just flitted back and forth. So I tried the motor with another 25a esc and the same thing happened and then I tried another motor with the Dynam 30a and that motor worked just fine so I surmised that this HDX 3800kv motor is now toast :eek: so I still did not get to fly the modded King yet.:mad: Ordering a new motor some time this week.
DT

[flightcrazed]

sorry to hear about your troubles.. Sux to be grounded!

[delvallejr]

DT,
When you put it all back together, please let me know the lengs of the servo linkages.
Thanks in advance for your effort.

[DeadTom]

Hey all, I just got back from Las Vegas again, anyways I stopped by a Hobbypeople shop and picked up a couple of things one of them was a new brushless motor. This motor is the replacement motor for their Cypher 450 class heli, looks pretty cool though I do not need another brand of helicopter. The motor is rated at a wierd 3899kv......why not 3900? I will try and install it tonight so I can finally fly this modded King.
And the other thing I picked up was a CastleCreation Thunderbird 18a esc for my Hobby-Lobby Lynx-FX ducted fan jet that I won in the Hot Jet Give-away. Can't wait to fly this little thing, it also came with the 4500kv brushless motor and adapter to the ducted fan unit.
DT

[DeadTom]

Well here is the state of the new motor, it has a 2.3mm shaft just like the old motor but this one has the pinion pressed onto the shaft. Well I have a pinion puller and during the process I have broken the puller, so now I have to be very inventive.
I thought about using the included pinion but it is a 15t pinion and that would be crazy headspeed since I was running a 9t pinion on the King before.
DT

[DeadTom]

Over the weekend I got the 15t pinion off by first using the Dremel with a cuttiing wheel to make cuts into the pinion running parallel with the teeth. I then suspended the motor by the pinion using a small pair of needle nosed vise grips then suspended the grips between the jaws of a table mounted vise. Then with a small drift pin, a nail in this case, I drove the shaft straight down and out of the now unusable 15t pinion.
I then made a small flat spot on the shaft and mounted my 9t pinion onto the motor. I hooked the motor up to the Dynam 30a esc and plugged in a battery and checked the motor out. I sounds very powerful and I cannot wait to get this up in the air.
DT

[DeadTom]

New Cypher 3899kv motor from HobbyPeople.
I have not changed out the old linkages for the new yet but I will.

[broggyr]

Motor looks great. How's she run?

[reaper665]

Hey everyone just got the new issue of R/C HELI and saw the add for this forum so here i am just thought i'd say whats up and get a pic of my king 2 up here

T-rex fiberglass canopy,skids,flybar paddles,tail rotor blades
E-flite blade 400 stabilizers,main gear, battery 11.1V 1800 MAH and 25 amp speed control
Futaba Gy-401 with JR DS-285 on the tail
Hitec HS-55's on swash
Spektrum DX-6i transmitter
Helimax 2850kv inrunner

i'll get a pic or 2 up soon this heli has treated me well gotta love E-sky

[delvallejr]

Hey everyone just got the new issue of R/C HELI and saw the add for this forum so here i am just thought i'd say whats up and get a pic of my king 2 up here

T-rex fiberglass canopy,skids,flybar paddles,tail rotor blades
E-flite blade 400 stabilizers,main gear, battery 11.1V 1800 MAH and 25 amp speed control
Futaba Gy-401 with JR DS-285 on the tail
Hitec HS-55's on swash
Spektrum DX-6i transmitter
Helimax 2850kv inrunner

i'll get a pic or 2 up soon this heli has treated me well gotta love E-sky


:clap: Welcome :clap:

[Sublime Snot]

Sounds like a really nice setup, I'd like to see a pic. How's it fly for you?

[reaper665]

Sounds like a really nice setup, I'd like to see a pic. How's it fly for you?

Flys really good actually much better than my old blade cp and helimax axe cp man those things were junk compared to the esky if esky could get in with spektrum or futaba it would be over for those companies lol

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa289/reaper82_2007/000_2793.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa289/reaper82_2007/000_2791.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa289/reaper82_2007/000_2792.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa289/reaper82_2007/000_2796.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa289/reaper82_2007/000_2797.jpg

still need some new blades and i found a shady servo earlier this week so thats gonna be replaced too hopefully one of my local shops has what i need in stock i cant stand waiting for parts:mad:

[broggyr]

Got the heli almost dialed in now with the Guru-Z frame and HS-55 servos. Still got a little issue with the flybar arms on the seesaw - they appear to move very easily even though they are tight - I think they only hit the plastic instead of seat directly on the flybar. May be time for CNC seesaw and flybar links... :)

[broggyr]

Here are some pics...

[quinnaio]

anobody can help me setup my honeybee king 2 with my new Spektrum DX6i.

[delvallejr]

anobody can help me setup my honeybee king 2 with my new Spektrum DX6i.

Greetings quinnaio,

I have a DX6 with my HBK2 and was just taking notes of my settings when I noticed your post. I am still a relatively inexperienced flyer and my objective with the setups was to make the heli respond like it does with the factory TX (when it's not glitching ;) ). If you are looking for the same result, then I hope my settings work for you too. Otherwise there are other posts out there with recommended settings for the King 2 for more experienced and 3D flying.

My DX 6 Settings for my HBK2: I recommend resetting the config on the selected model memory so that factory defaults are restored before proceeding. My listed settings are made after the standard mechanical balancing and triming of the heli and linkages with the TX settings at their neutral/default locations (centered trims)

Preliminary Heli Setup Info
--------------------------------
-eSky 3900 brushless
-Dynam 30A ESC brushless (esc programing: brake=off;Cutoff=Slowdown;Throttle Curve=linear;Motor type=outrunners)
-Gyro Telebee TLB01 (11g) dual rate
-esky servos on collective
-Futaba s3114 for Rudder
-esky 1000 mAh 10c Lipo
-Head parts are CNC except washout and swash which are standard plastic ones
-Tail has trex 450 slider and blade grips mod, but tailbox is standard plastic esky part.
-Standard belt pullies (tail authority not issue with higher head speed)
-My esky TX's Nob settings that I'm am trying to replicate the feel of: HOV.PIT=between 8-9o'clock ; PIT.TRIM=between 11-12o'clock

System Mode Settings (any item not listed is default or does not apply)
--------------------------
Type = Heli
Dual Rate Switch Select (D/R SW) = .A
Gear/Gyro Gain Switch Select(GER) = E

Function Mode Settings (any item not listed is default or I'm not using feature yet)
--------------------------
-Servo Reversing
THR = NORM
AIL = REV
ELE = REV
RUD = REV
GER = NORM
PIT = NORM

-Exponential (EXP)
AI0 = 8%
EL0 = 8%
AI1 = 0% (Not using yet)
EL1 = 0% (Not using yet)

-Travel Adjustment (TRV ADJ.)
AIL = +100%
ELE = +100%
PIT = -93% (reducing from 100% value seemed to help soften the climb rate)
THR = -94% (reducing from 100% value seemed to help soften the climb rate)
RUD = +100% (This may need to be adjusted if the slider is bottoming out in either direction)
GER (This setting will vary depending on GYRO and other factors. Follow gyro to determine what setup is best for you. My heli has a vibration I haven't identified yet so my gyro is not set very sensitively. You can also not connect the gyro control lead to the receiver and use the POTs on the gyro to configure the sensitivity.
>(non-HH) = -42 (w/ Elevator D/R swithc in position 1)
>(HH) = +56 (w/ Elevator D/R swithc in position 0)

-Throttle Hold (HLD) = -1% (I am not sure what this value affects, but all other posts I have found have it at this value so I have kept it there)

-Pitch Curve Normal
PLN = 45%
P2N = 55%
PHN = 90 % (reducing from 100% value seemed to help soften the climb rate

-Pitch Curve Stunt (idle-Up) (I'm not skilled enough yet :) left at default)
PLS = 0%
P2S = 50%
PHS = 100%

-Pitch Curve Throttle Hold (I am not yet practicing autorotation, value set for ease of blade pitch setup and swash leveling)
PLH = 50%
P2H = 50%
PHH = 50%

-Throttle Curve Normal
TLN = 0%
T2N = 75%
THN = 100%

-Throttle Curve Stunt
T2S = 75%
THS = 100%

-CCPM Mixing
CCP = ON
CP2 = +60%
CP3 = +60%
CP6 = -54% (reducing from default -60% helped soften the climb rate)


I hope the above info helps. Feel free to ask any questions. To restate, my objective was to get the heli to feel like it did when I had it dialed in with the factory TX. The climb rate was not so sensitive and there was enought tail speed that at hover the tail had sufficient authority and hold when gyro was in non-hh mode.

Cheers all! Happy Holidays!

[quinnaio]

Thank you! I'm currently offshore, I will try this when i get home.

[delvallejr]

I hate breaking parts when the bird is on the bench!!!! ARRGGGG!!!! :# :'(

Thank you...that is all.

[Dash C]

-Throttle Hold (HLD) = -1% (I am not sure what this value affects, but all other posts I have found have it at this value so I have kept it there)


sets your throttle to -1% or.. "off"
you could set it to 50% and have your throttle hold at half throttle..
or 100% to have it hold at the fastest speed possible.

im assuming thats why they have it set to -1% I think the curve starts at 0%.

[delvallejr]

Thanks! Dash for clarifying that. I figured that was the case I just never tested it.

Being that the case, couldn't we use that as a way to simulate having a governor thereby only using pitch to control elevation and making it easier to dial in the climb rate? This way it might be easier for learning to hover or basic flying and orientation?

Thoughts? Anyone done this?

Cheers?

[delvallejr]

Greetings!

Hear is a Control Arm Mod I stumbled accross that is awsome! I am going to try it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKZ3XQRwCUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH453mxRg3k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYf0ZAeK58&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQvWjBL06qg&feature=related

The video quality is not the best, but you can still get the gist. This, I think is a great mod.

Cheers!

[broggyr]

Wow, haven't seen anything like this...

[broggyr]

I am in the process of slowly upgrading the head to CNC, one piece at a time (can't buy too much for myself, it's Christmas after all). Only thing I need right now is a CNC seesaw and mixer arms. I'm gonna leave the head core and the blade grips plastic for now, and I already have a CNC washout base & arms....

My LHS carries the CNCheli parts so I don't have to order them :D

[delvallejr]

Alright, I finished doing the mod. It was touch and go, but I got it to work at minimal expense. Only casualty is that the screws that hold the cnc arm with the ball joint that extends to over the blade grips sheared when I was trying to lossen them. :( They must have been glued in place. :mad: ... there was no truning back now. :confused:

After I finished working out the kinks (the washout balls were a real pain, there is little room for fitting), everything looked pretty good. But I quickly began to get nervouse. It just hit me that the geometry of the linkages had changed. The mod wasn't necessarily just about improving smoothness. Additionally when I would see-saw the flybar, it felt like as it approached the ends of the travel, it would build tension, almost like I was compressing a spring. Lastly, as the flybar would see-saw, instead of it's pitch remain flat as normal, the flybar paddles would twist because of the new pivot ball position. Much like how the main blades twist when you make the flybar see-saw. I was really beginning to think "you know, ED, you really shoudl have thought this through!" :blockhead:

Well...I'm happy to report that initial flight test are positive. It does feel much more stable. Without making any changes to the setting on the radio (DX6), the heli feels less squirly.

I don't know yet how the overall performance is affected. It is possible that there is a major trade-off on responsiveness in forward flight or 3D. For a relatively newbie like me (but mechanically inclined) it was a mod that was well worth the effort.

Now if I can only find the elusive cause of my wobble (there since before the mod). I'm down to the flybar, the one-way bearing hub thingy that holds the main gear in place, or center holder part of the CNC head. (I'm hopping its the flybary ;) )

Cheers all. I will try to post some pics of what I did if anyone is interested.

[broggyr]

Welcome Reaper! Can't wait for a pic :)

[delvallejr]

Here are some pics :) I didn't have extra control rods, so I cut up the stock ones. for hovering it works find, but for manuevering they would probably flex too much. steel links will be a must.

[broggyr]

I'm currently investigating this fine piece of Xtreme goodness, depending on what happens on Christmas :)
http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2473

[delvallejr]

I'm currently investigating this fine piece of Xtreme goodness, depending on what happens on Christmas :)
http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2473

Very Nice :)

[quinnaio]

greeting delvallejr

i did the setup based from your reply to my post. it didn't work on my heli but i did learn a lot from your instructions. i finally found the sweet spots on my setting.
Thank you for your help.

Merry Christmas to al!

[delvallejr]

greeting delvallejr

i did the setup based from your reply to my post. it didn't work on my heli but i did learn a lot from your instructions. i finally found the sweet spots on my setting.
Thank you for your help.

Merry Christmas to al!

Happy to hear you found your sweet spot. thanks for the feedback. I have also made some additional tweaks to my settings as well. The new settings, plus the mod I described above and my thing is flying sweet. I can get it to gently raise of the ground and sometimes actually touch down gently like I know what I'm doing.


Cheers and Merry Christmas to you too.

[broggyr]

I rebuilt the King tonight, and found the cause of some pesky blade imbalance; somehow, I managed to find an 'extra' damper in between the head core and one of the blade grips. What a relief, the blades track so much better now! :D:D Hopefully I'll get a test flight in tomorrow...

[delvallejr]

I rebuilt the King tonight, and found the cause of some pesky blade imbalance; somehow, I managed to find an 'extra' damper in between the head core and one of the blade grips. What a relief, the blades track so much better now! :D:D Hopefully I'll get a test flight in tomorrow...

Very Cool!

BTW, are you using the eSky o-rings? Lately my tracking is not consistent. I'll have perfect tracking for a quick hover, but then when I land and take off again the tracking is off. I've looked at my o-rings and they look ok, but they must have become to soft.

Any ideas?

[broggyr]

Yea, OEM E-Sky. I thought about using the Align dampers, but I haven't gotten there yet :)
The King is a lot smoother than it has been in a long time - must be since the last time I replaced the feathering shaft :):)

[broggyr]

Flew a battery today, the King is nice and smooth, responsive. Some resonant vibration at startup, but no apparent vibes at flying RPM. Tracking is dead on.

Hopefully soon I'll be able to replace the head core with a new one or a CNC head core...

[grouchy1]

I have a HBK2. It's all stock except I replaced the servos with Esky digital servos and the EK2-0704A head lock gyro. I could hardly get it to hover with the stock transmitter, even some experienced nitro heli pilots had a hard time. :blockhead: Anyway, I have both a DX6 and a DX6i and I'd like to try one of these transmitters. Which one would be better? Do you know of, or can somebody make, a setup sheet for this radio/heli combo. Thanx

[broggyr]

Your best bet is to search the internet for that very question. A very quick google search for "difference between dx6 and dx6i" returned a bunch of links. A thread on RCGroups has a post that says:


In a nutshell-

DX6:

DSM1 technology- parkflyer only
limited to AR6000 receiver only
unfriendly programming- 3 character model names and menu titles, etc.

DX6i:

DSM2 tech- full range, approved for use in all air models
compatible with all Spektrum receivers
larger display, plain English text, scroll wheel cursor control

Original Thread:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=802670

Also, the DX6 has a 3-point pitch curve, while the DX6i has a 5-point curve. I am reading all this third-party, but there is a lot of info out there for the browsing...

[delvallejr]

Greetings Grouchy1, Welcome.

As broggyr suggested, searching first is always the best way to find the quick answer. Many issues you will come accross are already posted in these pages and on other related forums.

But...because I'm not all bad...and I love to share :D here is a link to my post, in this very thread, with information you are looking for. My discusses the DX6, however, I recommend you use your DX6i as broggyr suggests. Regarding the 5-point curves, just use a values that are half way between the values of my 3-point cruve [1-(?)-2-(?)-3]. Take note that my throttle and pitch curve points are based on the esky 3900 brushless motor with a 10tooth pinion. Your values my vary somewhat from mine, but they are at least a starting point. My settings also assume that your blade pitch and all your linkages are at recommended settings. If you haven't done so already, I recommend that you look for the Finless Bob setup videos. They showcase other model helicopters, but concepts are the same and you will be able to apply what you learn. Many (if not all of use :P) have benefited from these or other videos like them. YouTube is also another place with great information.

http://www.crackroll.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10937&postcount=205

I hope my info helps.

[LoadedLen]

Hello all. I'm new here, so...let 'er rip and I'll see if my wit can match yours. Just kidding, go easy. Got myself a King 2 yesterday. First RC anything, aside from cheap cars and a couple IR Havocs. I sat in front of my simulator till my eyes couldn't take anymore, I just couldn't wait to get this thing in the air so I wanted to rack up sim hours...the faster the better. But I couldn't wait today, I checked every screw and linkage as best as I know how to (total noob here), and powered up. took me a full battery just to get enough confidence to stop bouncing on the training gear and actually get liftoff, after that things went pretty good. I'm finding a couple feet up is a lot easier than a couple inches...too much turbulence down low I guess. One set of blades later (damn table saw), I swapped out the gyro for a Headlock...I'm diggin' that so far. I'm still a little (lot) inaccurate on the sticks. I don't know if it's my caffeine dependancy, or that this little heli is in a hurry to get somewhere...it's pretty snappy. I can keep it in about a 10 foot area :) Not something a little practice won't tighten up. Oh, and I blew the stock motor after the 3rd battery...I shoulda upgraded to BL at the time of purchase, instead I took my chances and lost. Back to the simulator until I get a replacement. Is there a favorite place to buy parts? I was thinking of getting a combo BL motor and ESC. Seems to be a couple bucks cheaper that way, but as a clueless beginner I really don't know which or is best or where to shop where shipping to Canada won't kill me. I kinda jumped in here, after only skimming the forum, if this has been asked a thousand times already, my apologies. One more thing, the battery compartment door on my 0406A Tx won't stay on....is there a better option to making it stick other than packing tape?

[broggyr]

I see your wit, and I'll raise you a.... whoa, nice King 2! :D:D

I gotta say, I think you had a better introduction to helis than a lot of folks - good for you. You took your time and gotten the basic idea down with the sim, checked all your linkages, etc. You are really giving this heli thing a shot.

A couple of quick points:


Structures and furniture (such as table saws) are gravity wells for heli. It's all physics. :D
This heli is very responsive. If you want to tone it down a bit to begin with, you can move the servo linkages from the outermost hole to a hole or 2 more towards the servo main shaft.
I actually have a E-Sky 3100kv brushless motor, and you can have it for the cost of shipping and PP fees, say $6? You will still need an ESC... It's not the greatest motor, but it's head & shoulders above the brushed motor (it will fly, after all) :D
Battery cover can likely be held with tape - did a tab break off? If not, how about gently heating the tab that holds it in place and GENTLY reforming it? (only guessing here, don't have the E-Sky Tx)


A fellow I converse with on another forum has a heli shop in Canada - check him out, he has King II parts
http://www.rotortech.ca/osc/index.php?cPath=18_28_26

You are off to an excellent start and I wish you the best.

WELCOME TO CRACKROLL! :cool:

[LoadedLen]

Thanks for the info, I sent you a PM on that offer... but I misread it the first time...you'll see another PM shortly :)

And thanks for the boost via your praise. I am serious about this hobby and I want to make sure I have fun now and for a long time to come.

[flightcrazed]

One more thing, the battery compartment door on my 0406A Tx won't stay on....is there a better option to making it stick other than packing tape?

Mine won't stay either, neither will my dads. I think it's just that cover on the tx.. I use the 3800 motor, started with the 3100. I get parts from kaplanes, mostly because they are in FL, and so am I, great service and quick shipping. I am sure there are other options that may be cheaper, but I feel like they are close enough to a LHS for me to use them..

[broggyr]

I like Ka-planes (i have only ordered from them once, but the fellow there helped me with my questions and my order was shipped quickly). There are also a couple other web vendors I support, but recently I found a LHS that actually carries E-Sky parts including for my beloved King II! :clap:

[flightcrazed]

I found a LHS that actually carries E-Sky parts including for my beloved King II! :clap:

How lucky are you!!

[LoadedLen]

Mine won't stay either, neither will my dads. I think it's just that cover on the tx..

There's little or no documentation on the charging function of the Esky transmitter...has anyone tried it with NiMh batts? What kind of AC adapter is best? I've heard the +/- poles are reversed. I don't have it in front of me to look at the little diagram near the port. If I can get that working good, then I'll tape up the door. Thoughts?

[flightcrazed]

I haven't seen any posts on anyone using mimh batts, I don't see why it would be a problem, as long as the polarities were matched up.

[LoadedLen]

another question: Since broggyr has kindly offered to donate a 3100kv motor...I just ordered the Esky 25a ESC, 9, 10, and 11T pinions (might as well get some choices) and the extreme 43T tail belt upgrade. Will the 11T pinion give me enough juice with that motor to get flying? I calculated the headspeed to be 2164 with that motor/pinion combo. Is that considered low for lift, or just for tail rpm?

[broggyr]

My best results for the 3100kv was with the 11T pinion.

[delvallejr]

Hey all,

Are any of you using a carbon fiber flybar rod on your King2? Is it with the esky CNC head too?

Thanks,
Ed

[delvallejr]

Hey all,

Are any of you using a carbon fiber flybar rod on your King2? Is it with the esky CNC head too?

Thanks,
Ed

Um...never mind about the carbon flybar...I have learned from other post that it would flex too much. There are no CF Flybars :).

I have replaced my flybar rod with a Blade 400 flybar rod. I needed to use a 5/64 size drill bit to slightly enlarge the opening in the CNC flybar control arms so the flybar rod would fit. It is longer than the stock by about 20mm, so with the stock paddles, the cyclic response is more sensitive. I will need to dial it out in the expo in my radio or I'll have to add some weights. I will probably go with the expo option.

During this excersize, and a 4 hr layover at an airport I found an article that does a very good job of describing the danymics of the flybar. I recommend the reading even if you are already familiar with how cyclic and the flybar works.

http://www.w3mh.co.uk/articles/html/csm9-11.htm


Cheers!

ps. This thread has been quite for the past couple of weeks...I hope it is because people are flying and not because they are forgetting about us...."I Won't be Ignored!!!!!...." :P

[LoadedLen]

I would be flying...every spare minute, however I'm anxiously awaiting parts. :(

[flightcrazed]

ps. This thread has been quite for the past couple of weeks...I hope it is because people are flying and not because they are forgetting about us...."I Won't be Ignored!!!!!...." :P

Wind has been crazy here!! When it's not windy I have other things going on and can't get the heli in the air.. I'm going crazy! I saw your post about the fly bar, just didn't have an answer for you so I figured some one else would speak up..

[delvallejr]

Wind has been crazy here!! When it's not windy I have other things going on and can't get the heli in the air.. I'm going crazy! I saw your post about the fly bar, just didn't have an answer for you so I figured some one else would speak up..

No worries. :) It's all good.

[broggyr]

LoadedLen:

Has your package arrived yet in the mail? Just checking to see if you got the motor... :)

[LoadedLen]

LoadedLen:

Has your package arrived yet in the mail? Just checking to see if you got the motor... :)

I was just about to send you a PM. Yes, it arrived today in good condition. Thanks! Also received Blade 400 main gear. Still waiting for pinions and ESC (and 43t tail upgrade, turnbuckles, servos, blades...) I'll let you know how it flies in a couple days.

The main gear was a bit of a pain to install. It is very slightly taller than the stock gear, and I needed to lower the shaft a couple millimeters to stop it from binding. However the collar below the swashplate was a bear to move up, (I haven't had to replace the main shaft yet) the grub screw backed out alright, but the collar itself was very tight on the shaft. Anyway, it's all together again, and the head freewheels nicely.

Oh, one more thing, broggyr...if you're missing a step washer from one of your blade grips, I have it :) It was hitchhiking inside the motor attached to one of the magnets.

[LoadedLen]

UPDATE: Got the ESC, 11t pinion and 43t tail upgrade. Installed it all and took it for a hover. I'm sure I checked everything out before I spun it up...however I must have missed something. Just before "normal" lift-off, I heard a -POP- and the thing JUMPED 5 feet in the air then went over sideways. Snapped the training gear hub, destroyed the canopy, bent the feathering shaft, and broke the bell control arm and several linkages/balls.

Back to the repair bench. I think I'm going to dismantle the entire heli, and build it up from scratch...then at least I'll know what I did, and not worry about what the factory might not have.

[LoadedLen]

OK, so I took the head all apart... looks like one of the pitch linkages was on too far (past the ball) , I wonder if that might have caused a slight bind and release leading to what happened.

more damage found too. stripped servo and bent main shaft. All parts are on order, I can hardly wait to repair it and try again. :)

Also thinking about replacing the stock transmitter. Looking at the DX6i/AR6200, but don't know if 6ch will work for me as I grow through larger helicopters. Since I don't have any plans on flying nitro or gassers...Is 6ch plenty for most if not all electric helis?

When I win the lotto and buy a turbine helicopter, I'll splurge on a real expensive radio system :)

[delvallejr]

OK, so I took the head all apart... looks like one of the pitch linkages was on too far (past the ball) , I wonder if that might have caused a slight bind and release leading to what happened.

more damage found too. stripped servo and bent main shaft. All parts are on order, I can hardly wait to repair it and try again. :)

Also thinking about replacing the stock transmitter. Looking at the DX6i/AR6200, but don't know if 6ch will work for me as I grow through larger helicopters. Since I don't have any plans on flying nitro or gassers...Is 6ch plenty for most if not all electric helis?

When I win the lotto and buy a turbine helicopter, I'll splurge on a real expensive radio system :)

Greetings LoadedLen,

If your willing to make the expense, at least go to a 7Ch TX. That way if you want to ad accessories, like landing gear or lights for a more scale look, you have the channel to control it. 9ch is even better if you can afford the expense.

I was thinking about your previous post of what happened. I think it was your servo failing that caused it. Didn't you mention in an earlier post that you had a couple of broken teeth in a servo and that you rotated the gears so that you could keep using it? In any case I did that once. I was able to get one flight out of that servo and I let my guard down. Well the next flight I went to try some forward flight and that's all she wrote :'( . At least it was an Axe CP ;-), pre-HBK2 owner.

Good luck.
Ed.

PS. If you are going to continue using the stock esky servos, I recommend replacing their gears with HS-55 replacement gears. Thay are nylon and are a little tougher. they are about $5.00 per set. http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=359_362_496&products_id=2379

[LoadedLen]

PS. If you are going to continue using the stock esky servos, I recommend replacing their gears with HS-55 replacement gears. Thay are nylon and are a little tougher. they are about $5.00 per set. http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=359_362_496&products_id=2379

Nah...My Tower Pro SG90's should be here today or Monday. I'm switching all the stock ones out (I'll keep the non-stripped ones as spares) I've heard good things about the SG90's for the money. Dealextreme is practically giving them away.

PS. Although I took the stripped one apart to view the damage and see if a 180 would fix it, I have not repaired it previously...It is still possible that it was damaged beforehand. I'll have to make myself a pre-flight checklist so that nothing gets overlooked in the future.

Cheapest DX7 I found so far is at a LHS. $417.00 CDN (about $330.00 US) Includes AR7000 and servos. I might go for that one.

[broggyr]

LoadedLen:

I need that washer, so you better send me the motor back... :D:D Kidding!

I did some work on my heli - removed the flybar...
I have a flybarless King 2. With NO stabilization!

You know what? This thing is crazy touchy now! Dialed down the expos severely, and still wickedly sensitive.

Why did I do it? I was having a lot of problems with the CNC seesaw and the OEM plastic head - I should have gotten the CNC head too, but didn't have the scratch.

I have yet to 'really' hover it, I did about 5-10 seconds in the house...

[LoadedLen]

I just bought a full CNC upgrade kit (head and tail) for $33.00 + free shipping. 'Course it's not the E-Sky purple, or MicroHeli stuff...but it looks decent enough from the pics - It's identical to the E-sky stuff, only this stuff is blue anodized. ...most of the stuff from Hong Kong you just never know until you try it. Sometimes you get some real gems.


stuff. :)

Broggyr: How's that Guru-Z frame working for you?

[LoadedLen]

Here's something interesting...

I'm sure everyone's seen the HK-450 (Trex 450s clone) for $35.95 from Hobbycity.com. I did a little price comparison of that (using a guide posted on a different forum) and the nearest 450s combo I could find (from Helihobby.com)

The helihobby 450S combo comes with:
- 1x T-Rex 450S CF Kit
- 1x 430L BL motor
- 1x 35A ESC
- 1x 3S1P 2200mAh 18C Battery
- 4x HXT900 9g / 1.6kg / .12sec Micro Servos
- 1x Align 1 to 4 Cell Lithium Polymer Charger / Balancer (V2)
- 1x Telebee/Zoom Head Lock Gyro
- 1x CF Training Gear
- 1x Spektrum DX6i

Total: $499.00 + $48.00 shipping ($547.00)

The HK-450 I priced out is as follows:
- 2x HK-450 CCPM 3D Electric Helicopter Kits
- 1x Turnigy 2836 BL Motor (3700kv)
- 1x Turnigy Sentry 40amp Speed Controller
- 4x ZIPPY 2200mAh 3S1P 20C batteries
- 6x HXT900 9g / 1.6kg / .12sec Micro Servos
- 1x B6plus - CY- B6 plus balancer (2-6S series)
- 1x Telebee Head Lock & Standard Gyro (Digital/Analog)
- 1x Spektrum DX6i

Total: $445.86 + $67.93 shipping ($513.79)

Difference of $33.21, except in the latter deal you get 4 batteries, a couple spare servos and an entire spare helicopter.

I think my King needs a roommate.