Need piro flip basics

[Skidsup]

Can somebody break down what's happening with a piro flip? I want to learn it with left rudder. If I were to do half piro flips at a time how do they look like. If I start upright tail in, a half piro flip will put the tail where inverted?

[toro]

how comfortable are you in your pirouetting orientations ?

[Skidsup]

I can do piro ccircuits and piro hovers upright and inverted.

[CSpaced]

Its all timing, as you are piro'ing roll the cyclic until you are upright (and adjust collective to keep it in one place). Its kinda hard to explain the timing, you should try it on the sim a bunch first!

[toro]

more is less with piro's... collective that is. to much collective will get you all over the sky.

[sircrashalott]

here are the stick movements for piroflips

http://www.coloradorotorheads.com/piriflipg.swf

[Malves]

here are the stick movements for piroflips

http://www.coloradorotorheads.com/piriflipg.swf

I don't like that one much. It looks funky. I like this one, thou. I am also learning piro flips. The video helped a lot.:) If I remember right it was Taipan from runryder that put it together. Make sure you rename the file extension to .avi, but it will play as .wmv as well.

[Skidsup]

Thanks for that one. It is slow enough for me to understand. Is the cylic stir the same rate as the piro? It seems 1:1 unlike the first video posted.

[CSpaced]

I don't like that one much. It looks funky. I like this one, thou. I am also learning piro flips. The video helped a lot.:) If I remember right it was Taipan from runryder that put it together. Make sure you rename the file extension to .avi, but it will play as .wmv as well.

That one looks better to me also, nice find :)

[DVS]

Maybe this will help. http://www.littlerotors.com/flyinglessons/piroflips.aspx

[Malves]

Thanks for that one. It is slow enough for me to understand. Is the cylic stir the same rate as the piro? It seems 1:1 unlike the first video posted.

Yes, it's a 1:1 ration. You can make it even slower with WMP by pressing CTRL+Shift+S. In G3, I can do both halves, but I still have to kinda stop in between. The video really helped me to learn it. BTW, I've been flying for only 4 weeks and learning piro flips actually helped my flying in other areas A LOT!! I like to go against the usual way of learning things. I've done it with planks, now I am doing it with helis. It's just me.:)

[Skidsup]

Well it's making sense now. I tried it on the sim. I've been doing half piro flips. Am I doing this right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg45eHd4Bso

[Spidious]

How many things on your computer do you have running at the same time ? the bottom looks packed all the way across.....

[Skidsup]

Those are just shortcuts. Sim works fine.

[Paul]

At first I was trying piro flips as per those short videos. Just moving those sticks around didn't bring anything that looked half decent on the simulator.
I came upon this article on the Trextuning forum posted by Ash:
Question :

How do you learn to flip a helicopter inverted and back to normal flight whilst pirouetting at the same time?

Answer:

first you must be comfortable with hovering tail in, nose in, inverted tail in and inverted nose in. Plus you must also be comfortable with pirouetting in the hover or in an inverted hover.
You should also be able to do a forward flip and a backward flip comfortably and without losing height. If you can do all this then you are ready for the piro-flip.

This move is learnt in two halves. First the flip to inverted with a half pirouette. Then the flip from inverted back to normal flight with a half pirouette.

Let's start with the flip to inverted. First flip the helicopter forwards to the point where the nose is pointing directly at the ground. At this point you should be at 0° pitch and should centre the elevator stick. Now perform a 180° left pirouette. The helicopter should now be vertical but with the tail pointing at the ground. Now give back elevator and introduced negative pitch. The ending position should be a tail in inverted hover.

We now perform the same thing but in reverse. Flip the helicopter backwards so the nose is pointing at ground, then with 0° pitch perform the 180° left pirouette. The helicopter should still be vertical but with the tail now pointing directly at the ground. Now give forwards elevator and introduced positive pitch to return to normal tail in hover.

The piro-flip is just the merging of these two manoeuvres into one seamless maneuver. As you speed it up the flip and pirouette become one seamless move. If you look at the stick movements then the right stick (mode 2) moves in a clockwise circle and the left stick holds in left rudder and just moves vertically up slightly, then directly down and then back up to the starting position.

Perfect timing and coordination of both stick movements is required to produce a perfect flip without loss of height or horizontal position.

Damn the site timed out and half of what I wrote got deleted.

Anyway, to cut it short ,after 7 months on the Sim I tried the real thing.
Started from inverted tail hover, real high, and man that heli fell down like a stone, no way like the sim!
But I didn't crash.
Tried again, but with faster stick movements, and cool, it worked!

So now I know how to improve - guess I should be able to do them decently some time next year.
Will post a video if I do.

[7wt]

Those are just shortcuts. Sim works fine.

What Sim is that? I have been looking for sim for my Mac where I don't have to run it dual booted.

[John 3D]

What Sim is that? I have been looking for sim for my Mac where I don't have to run it dual booted.

Ditto!!!!

[Skidsup]

It's RC Helicopter Simulator from http://www.alphamacsoftware.com/.